Aryanam Vaijah the ancient home land of Aryans

Long ages ago there existed in the far north of the world the ancient homeland of the Aryan's "Aryanam Vaijah"

At that time the Earth was mapped using the polar projection method and divided into 7 zones. In our system this simply means the globe of the Earth was divided into 7 lines of latitude, 3 in the north hemisphere, 1 at the equator and 3 in the South hemisphere.

Aryanam Vaijah was said to be above the 6 other zones making it somewhere up North in the Arctic Circle.

Aryanam Vaijah is described as the first and finest among the lands' created by Mazda

"The Aryas ('the noble ones') are said in the Avesta to have had their original home in the fair land of Airyana-Vaeja (the Cradle-land of the Aryas), which had been 'the first among the lands' created by Mazda. It was at the centre of the Earth and in its very centre stood the mountain Hara-bareza ('Alborz')."

Using the polar projection mapping method the centre of the Earth map would be the pole of the Earth and since we know Aryanam Vaijah was far to the north we know that mapping was centred on the north pole.

The mountain spoken of is no other then mount meru the mythical axial mountain of the gods in Vedic mythology. In Vedic mythology the cosmos rotates around meru. From the perspective of someone in the arctic circle the stars do indeed rotate around the pole star.

The lands immediately around this mountain is the homeland of the Aryans

The golden age of Aryanam Vaijah had passed, the world had grown sinful

Ahura Mazda warned of an impending destruction by Ice and snow and advised its denizens to migrate to other locations.

Ahura identifies Mazda as belonging to the tribe of peoples in vedic mythology called the Asuras. In Vedic mythology the Asuras also live at the base of mount meru, that land being divided into four by four rivers just like Eden in the bible.

The aryans are therefore linked closely with the Asuras

"king Jamshid in shah-name) 'the King,' the son of Vivanghana. In the Avesta He is the great Ruler and Teacher of the Golden Age. He was warned by Mazda about the impending destruction of the wicked world by snow and ice, and He was commanded to build a vara, or underground enclosure, and to take there a set of specially chosen people, together, with the seeds of the finest trees, the best fruits and the most fragrant flowers, and also a pair each of the best and the most useful animals."

As the Ice age plunged their lands into darkness the aryans were forced southward in mass roaming into warmer lands. Eventually these aryans settled (among other southward locations) in India and Iran.

Irish mythology also backs this up we are told about a group of Asuras called Tuath Dé Danann who come from the northern islands of the world. This specific group of Asuras are called danavas in Vedic text and the name has the same meaning as it does in Irish i.e. descendent of Danu.

Furthermore we are told the names of the four city's up there Falias, Gorias, Murias and Finias

There was a tower in each city which housed a high Druid who was responsible for teaching the Tuath Dé Danann their skills. Upon leaving their doomed homeland they brought four ancient relics , the work of druidry with them.



In 1595 Mercator produced the worlds first map of the North pole called the Septentrionalium Terrarum. What is interesting is that at the centre of this polar projection map of the north pole he places a "magnetic mountain". Just like in Vedic text Mercator divides the land immediately around this polar mountain into four with four rivers. At the time this map was produced none of the Avestan or Vedic text was available in Europe so where did he acquire the information to produce this map? Clearly he was relying on ancient European mythology's of this land.

Was Gerhardus Mercator a member of one of the European secret society's of his time, was he privy to secret manuscripts said to be in the hands of these groups. Certainly he was acquainted with the English occultist Dee.

The language, religious and mythological similarity's between India and ancient Europe has never been sufficiently explained other then labelling it Indo-European.

In India there is intense political pressure to denounce "the aryan invasion theory" for obvious reasons the vedas are the text and religion of the aryans. Indians prefer to imagine the snowy homeland of the aryans, Arya Varta in Vedic text to be in tropical India.

Recent genetic testing of high caste Indians has presented a problem for those wanting to assert that the aryans were native to India.

" Analysis of these data demonstrated that the upper castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians, and the upper castes are significantly more similar to Europeans than are the lower castes. Collectively, all five datasets show a trend toward upper castes being more similar to Europeans, whereas lower castes are more similar to Asians. "
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

High caste Indians, the direct descendent s of the Aryans are genetically closer to Europeans then Asians. North India the region most densely populated by these Aryans in antiquity are noticeably lighter skinned then south Indians also.

We may assume the aryans originally native to a cold far northenly climate, literally a land of Ice and snow would be likely pale skinned like modern North Europeans.

Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak, a mathematician turned astronomer, historian, journalist, philosopher and political leader of India during 1880 to 1920 had meticulously examined the Vedic text and had come to the conclusion that the Aryans had come from the arctic circle. He produced a book called "The Arctic Home in the Vedas" in which he catalogued all the portions of the Vedic text that describe a homeland in the far north.

It would seem the strange occult teachings Hitler and the Nazi preached about the Aryans being Europeans may actually be true. Unfortunately for Hitler genetic testing shows they were closer related to the Scythians then the Germanic peoples...Hitler would be sad!

What of this advanced civilisation in the Arctic circle, wouldn't we have found something of it by now? Well as you can imagine doing archaeology in dense snow is not fun and there is no telling of how much snow or Ice cover could have built-up.


Yet story's have surfaced of an underground pyramid in Alaska and ancient remnants of technology in Siberia

Further reading:
www.farvardyn.com...
decodehindumythology.blogspot.co.uk...
www.heritageinstitute.com...

a reply to: zinc12

Isn't Iran named after the Aryan race, and what about Turkey, in the Mnt Ararat area?

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
Yes they moved into many lands including Eire-land, ire-land...land of the aryans.

Great information.

Replying and subbed for future reference.

Hmmmmm very interesting. Also my first time experiencing the "it must be aliens" guy, I have only seen him in funny pictures. He really does have crazy hair.

a reply to: zinc12

Not saying that I accept all of the fact's but the witness sound genuine and I do believe the possibility of either a pre human civilization or more likely a forgotten epoch of human civilization on earth.
www.think-aboutit.com...


Very interesting thread, think also about the Norse belief in Ydgrasil the one tree or world tree, a mountain or a tree at the center of the world which of course in norse mythos is were the stars rotate around that point or the geographic north pole, of course there is nothing there but a huge arctic crater and the frozen ocean today as well as vying international interests whom are staking claim's with an eye to extracting the oil and minerals of the region (an ecological disaster waiting to happen).

Thank you.
The reason I went looking for thermal imaging is because of the thermal image map's of Sidonia on mars which seem to also show a buried city sized set of ruin's there and I assumed that despite this being very deep (possibly therefore extremely ancient, previous to the last two ice age's perhaps making it hundred's of thousands of years?) that there may still be a trace if it has not been censored yet.
www.think-aboutit.com...

Just for cross reference.
www.bbc.co.uk...
www.dailystar.co.uk...
www.iflscience.com...

Now for further reference and comparision, mars is a much colder world than the earth, even than alasa but it may not have always been so.
keithlaney.net...
www.enterprisemission.com...
Sadly some link's no longer work as someone has removed/censored them probably using copyright law's as an excuse, grahamhancock.com...,108903,108903

The argument here is that when working on a known archeaological site such as Egypt then thermal data is accepted almost without argument but take it to Alaska and look for a pyramid or to mars and look for ruin's and the nay sayers will jump on it or even work to discredit the poster.

BUT what if.

It may not be alone as evidence of ancient civilization perhap's even million's or ten's of millions of years old and may not even be from the current human race or the Arya's.
s8int.com...
www.hecklerspray.com...

The Hopi indian legend's of the Ant People, a subterranean race whom sheltered them in there underground city's.
www.ancient-origins.net...

A little more trivia you may find of interest,
www.quora.com... dnt-see-evidence-of-their-existence
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.ancient-code.com...
phys.org...

As well as Ice a global flood and huge tidal wave washing over the continent could have buried and demolished entire city's under hundred's of feet of sediment and clay, could that be what happened here?.

Do you ever get tired of propagandizing history? The very link you used places the Homeland in a very traditional location:


Your own source says "These four lands neighbouring Airyana Vaeja are Tuirya, Sairima, Saini and Dahi". Spend a minute looking up where Dahistan is.

Are you aware that the middle east and central Asia get snow too? I take it you've never lived there, because you sound as though you believe snow only exists in the polar regions... Here's Iran:

It was at the centre of the Earth and in its very centre stood the mountain Hara-bareza ('Alborz')."

I'll wait 2 minutes while you read up on where the Alborz Mountain Range is.

Mercator? Really? Are you unaware that there is no such landmass in the Arctic? I mean he had the excuse of the lack of exploration, but today is the information age...

Mercator believed there was a 33 mile magnetic black rock in the middle of a whirlpool. Yet on his Polus Arcticus depiction it says "rupes nigra et altissima", or "cliffs to a deep black". Meaning it's more of a depression towards an abyss. Like this thread.

You will notice in his earlier versions he does not include Nova Zemlya or Spitsbergen, as they hadn't even been discovered yet... and they are not even as far north as his depiction. He had never been anywhere near there himself. So what is his source?

Quod ad descriptionem attinet, eam nos accepimus ex Itinerario Jacobi Cnoyen Buscoducensis, qui quaedam ex rebus gestis Arturi Britanni citat, majorem autem partem et potiora a sacerdote quodam apud regem Norvegiae anno Domini 1364 didicit. Descenderat is quinto gradu ex illis quos Arturus ad has habitandas insulas miserat, et referebat anno 1360 Minoritam quendam Anglum Oxoniensem mathematicum in eas insulas venisse, ipsique relictis ad ulteriora arte magica profectum descripsisse omnia, et astrolabio dimensum esse in hanc subjectam formam fere uti ex Jacobo collegimus.

Translation:
"In the matter of the representation, we have taken it from the Travels of James Cnoyen of Bois le Duc, who quotes certain historical facts of Arthur the Briton but who gathered the most and the best information from a priest who served the King of Norway in the year of Grace 1364. He was a descendant in the fifth degree of those whom Arthur had sent to live in these isles; he related that, in 1360, an English minor friar of Oxford,[43] who was a mathematician, reached these isles and then, having departed therefrom and having pushed on further by magical arts, he had described all and measured the whole by means of an astrolabe somewhat in the form hereunder which we have reproduced from James Cnoyen."

That's right, a friend of a friend knew a guy who scryed it through magical means. He also said that "the waters of these 4 arms of the sea were drawn towards the abyss with such violence that no wind is strong enough to bring vessels back again once they have entered"... so how could anyone prove there was anything there if they could never leave to relay information? The whirlpool seems to have been based off the legendary Lofoten Maelstrom.

Other than that... it's still better than a political thread.

First of all I am a christian and so believe in part this is fantasy but every legend has a grain of truth and do any of us truly know the past.
You should however find this rather new age site interesting and though I do see little evidence to back up the claims it does nevertheless back up your belief in a northern land.
www.newdawnmagazine.com...

I still find this an interesting thread though it is not my personal belief, as for the buried pyramid, well and as for the artifact's in the thermal images I linked to they could be simply compression artifact's and thermal gradient's once digitised taking on such suggestive form's, BUT if they were then such a technique used in modern archaeology in the new field of satellite archaeology would have been a non starter so I like to keep an open mind on that point.


SARGON THRALL,

I do actually like your argument and it is constructive but the way you opened it was coarse, even rude and remember everyone propegandizes history, the anti semite's abuse the kazarian legacy to claim that jew's from europe are not semitic despite ample genetic evidence to the contrary, the Nazi's were amongst the worse offenders even creating a book called the OURA LINDUS which did not survive the war unless it is in a secret library, it claimed to be the history of the Frisian people's and suggested they had originated in what today may be greenland as it described a matriarchal northern atlantic located atlantis like realm destroyed by ice and water and was supposedly ancient, as Harte once pointed out in the case of another book it was probably fake or to be more arty about a channelled text.

The Emperor Chin had all the history's of the seven kingdom's destroyed so that his reign was year zero though he may actually not have been the first emperor to have united what became china as there may have been other's before him?.

The Bishop De'Landa ordered all south american paper book's usually written on cactus paper, burned and destroyed and any other form of talli or writing as well so as to destroy the heathen legacy (history and legend's, religion and belief's) of the south american peoples during the spanish and portuguese conquest of there nation's once again in order to rewrite history, despite there frankly evil religion's however some estimate's are that the south american farmers may have produced up to sixty percent more food before the spanish and portuguese than south america does today.

Still that information is more than accurate and highly interesting.

Much of what even today is now barren unpopulated wilderness was not always so but of course through the past 2000 years eurasia has seen massive turmoil and entire civilization's, there history's and culture's have been wiped from the face of the earth, the Hun's maybe with the aid of climate change may have driven other tribe's before them and out of eastern europe and western asia such as the the Visigoth's, that period probably saw the destruction of countless cultures then a little over half a millenium later we had the mongol's whose murderous rampage so depopulated the region's of there passage that the local climates also experiences a dramatic cooling as evidenced in tree ring's and possibly linked to the reduction in cooking fire's from the people's and city's that they wiped from the face of the earth.

But I have to point something out, Location Name's are portable.

Washington is a small town on the east coast of England but of course named after it is the great capital of the united state's and history is only likely to remember the one of them which being the US washington.

People whom leave one place may often try to make there new home into there old home, to restore what they knew by making the unfamiliar familiar and by naming similar landmarks after those they knew and loved.

There is no mountain in the centre of the arctic though so your point stand's as well as the fact that the last time the arctic was totally free of ice and the world had no frozen pole's the dinosaur's ruled the earth according to paleontology but of course once again that is just another belief system based on a discrete interpretation of the evidence according on one (mainstream) interpretation of the available science.

For about the Past 4 - 5 million years the earth has been relatively cool with massive climate change, the poles have expanded in a series of ice age's over this period according to some theory's about the earth's past.

Go back 2.2 billion years and the world entered an even colder period called the snowball earth period or theory, this postulates that the oceans froze over as far as the equator making the earth during this glacial maximum probably resemble hoth from the star wars movie the empire strike's back, these series of super ice ages lasted until about 750 million years ago, a scant hundred million before the theoretical Cambrian explosion took place.

Then we have a period of 650 million years in which life took on it's modern form, human's in there current guise according to theory only existed for up to 250 thousand years, modern europeans only about 30.000 years and the modern thought process only about 10.000 years but of course that is pure rubbish and we both know that regardless of our belief's.

The neanderthal were HUMAN, they cared for there sick, they mourned there dead and they even buried them in red ochre.

So why could they not have had a civilization at some point, because they were not clever enough?, we know now that they were fully capable of articulated speech but the old cave man image of UG THUG still inger's, there lives were hard and there short however so they probably did not have time to develop culture, at least in the period when food was scarce but what about the interglacial period and bountiful period's of THERE history, maybe they never rose above primitive stone age but primitive stone age culture's can still achieve marvel's, maybe they lacked the type of abstract thought that modern human's have but then again?

Possibly shaped by there hand's but we will never know as it is so weathered it could also simply be a natural site, however they may have used it for ceremonial purposes much as the aboriginal peoples of australia used ayres rock etc.
www.darkbombasticevening.com...

Propegandising history as far as I am concerned is taking unquestioningly what you are simply TOLD it was but to seek and to question is not, oh people can be wrong or they can misinterpret but so too can the so called expert's and quite often they actually do so leaving us with a legacy of faulty history based on the old "it is so because he said it was so" argument's.

A famous quote, The victor's write the history.

But of course then the revisionist historians' often try to rewrite it but are often even less accurate.

The truth, one man's history is not another man's history and each of us has a unique perspective worthy of respect even if we do not agree.

a reply to: SargonThrall

There is only one place on Earth where the stars revolve around one point "meru" and that is the poles of the planet. No you can not find such a place in India.

The mountain of the Gods meru is invisible to human eyes in vedic text
"Narpatijayacharya mentions Sumeru as being present in the middle of the Earth, but not seen there"

That is why you cant find it on a map it is like the phantom islands spoken of by many cultures.

It is an inverse cone 84,000 yojanas high surmounted by the pole star

Suryasiddhant, locates Meru at the 'Navel of the Earth'

Again the aryans and asuras live in the lands at its base which would be Alaska, north Canada, North Siberia, Iceland, Greenland.

It is the 1st of the 7 earth zones the others being below it

Meru the axial mountain can only be at the pole obviously and is depicted as such also in Chinese sources again surmounted by the pole star.



I just realised this chinese map shows what I stated about the first 3 zones being in the north hemisphere, 1 being at the equator and the other 3 being in the southern hemisphere. Note the map divides the Earth globe into 4 bands of latitude up to the equator which is what I said

There is indeed a whirlpool around this mountain, a cosmic whirlpool as seen in my OP star swirl photo with the cosmic waters of the heavens rotating around the invisible mountain of the gods, at least that is how the ancients interpreted it.

I should add that in this mountain that exists here on Earth but in another realm time flows at a different rate, one day for the gods can be 100 years Earth years as is spoken of in both Vedic and Celtic mythology such as the tale of Oisín who spends 3 days in Tír na nÓg the land of the gods and when he returns home 300 years have passed.

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: SargonThrall

There is only one place on Earth where the stars revolve around one point "meru" and that is the poles of the planet. No you can not find such a place in India.

You can see that place from anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

The Southern Hemisphere has it's own such "place."

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: SargonThrall

There is only one place on Earth where the stars revolve around one point "meru" and that is the poles of the planet. No you can not find such a place in India.

You can see that place from anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

The Southern Hemisphere has it's own such "place."

Harte

Oh how wise, can you see the polar star from over the equator...good eyes you have!

In any case since in is clear the place is in the north we are not obviously talking about the south pole and since the mountain is at the navel/axes/centre of the world then it is the north pole regardless, not to mention the heavens rotating around the mountain again making it the north pole

a reply to: zinc12

Posting so I can read later.

originally posted by: zinc12

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: SargonThrall

There is only one place on Earth where the stars revolve around one point "meru" and that is the poles of the planet. No you can not find such a place in India.

You can see that place from anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

The Southern Hemisphere has it's own such "place."

Harte

Oh how wise, can you see the polar star from over the equator...good eyes you have!

In any case since in is clear the place is in the north we are not obviously talking about the south pole and since the mountain is at the navel/axes/centre of the world then it is the north pole regardless, not to mention the heavens rotating around the mountain again making it the north pole

You were the one that claimed only one place on Earth exists where the stars revolve around one point.
You should expect responses to such an ignorant statement.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: zinc12

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: SargonThrall

There is only one place on Earth where the stars revolve around one point "meru" and that is the poles of the planet. No you can not find such a place in India.

You can see that place from anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

The Southern Hemisphere has it's own such "place."

Harte

Oh how wise, can you see the polar star from over the equator...good eyes you have!

In any case since in is clear the place is in the north we are not obviously talking about the south pole and since the mountain is at the navel/axes/centre of the world then it is the north pole regardless, not to mention the heavens rotating around the mountain again making it the north pole

You were the one that claimed only one place on Earth exists where the stars revolve around one point.
You should expect responses to such an ignorant statement.

Harte

A polar projection map centred on the north pole produces the Earth disc so yes the stars according to that system all rotate around meru which is at the centre of the Earth disc, centre being north like the polar projection map in my OP



No different then other Indo-European systems such as the Norse world tree which extends its branches into the realms of the gods

You are free to read The Arctic Home in the Vedas origin of Aryans by Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak and he goes into the astronomy in the Vedas proving that it is the stars in the north hemisphere they are familiar with and not the south, hence his conclusion that they also come from the artic circle a conclusion I came to independently myself.

These guys are looking for a physical mountain OP. LIke you mentioned the Axis Mundi is not a physical rock and stone mountain. It is the Magnetic pole itself. The texts place a great significance on the magnetic axis. One has to account for the fact that the magnetic pole has shifted around so it is highly probable that the magnetic pole could have centered over an area in central Siberia in ancient times.
Its also quite possible that due to electrical forces on a cosmic scale that the Aurora was visible flowing into the earth at this location as it followed the magnetic fields. This would produce a column or mountain that was visible only a specific times.

a reply to: Dragoon01

Yes and the rainbow bridge the gods use to travel from Asgard to Earth

a reply to: zinc12

I don't know how plausible this specific idea is but I find it really fascinating.

Others have said this rainbow bridge could be a metaphor for our chakras..

I find this thread really interesting and it made me dig up some articles I found a while ago.

www.richardcassaro.com...

I understand there may be some inaccuracies in it but there's also a lot of truth to be found.

originally posted by: zinc12

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: zinc12

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: SargonThrall

There is only one place on Earth where the stars revolve around one point "meru" and that is the poles of the planet. No you can not find such a place in India.

You can see that place from anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

The Southern Hemisphere has it's own such "place."

Harte

Oh how wise, can you see the polar star from over the equator...good eyes you have!

In any case since in is clear the place is in the north we are not obviously talking about the south pole and since the mountain is at the navel/axes/centre of the world then it is the north pole regardless, not to mention the heavens rotating around the mountain again making it the north pole

You were the one that claimed only one place on Earth exists where the stars revolve around one point.
You should expect responses to such an ignorant statement.

Harte

A polar projection map centred on the north pole produces the Earth disc so yes the stars according to that system all rotate around meru which is at the centre of the Earth disc, centre being north like the polar projection map in my OP

No different then other Indo-European systems such as the Norse world tree which extends its branches into the realms of the gods

You are free to read The Arctic Home in the Vedas origin of Aryans by Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak and he goes into the astronomy in the Vedas proving that it is the stars in the north hemisphere they are familiar with and not the south, hence his conclusion that they also come from the artic circle a conclusion I came to independently myself.

Any culture from the Northern Hemisphere can only be familiar with the stars of the Northern Hemisphere.

Harte

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
Yes they moved into many lands including Eire-land, ire-land...land of the aryans.

eire comes from the old irish word eriu, which is an old gaelic god, nothing to do with aryans at all.

Folks sure are adamant on the non existence of these Aryans. It was made up or misinterpreted by people back then because well, racism