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originally posted by: Helious
Either way, your definition of the 4th is wrong, has been proven wrong more times than anyone can count on their fingers or toes by courts both local and federal across the country for more than 100 years. Because they are doing it anyway does not make it right nor just and least of all, legal and in good faith of the Constitution.
originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
a reply to: Azureblue
Ummmm.....And take that B.O.B. to where?.
Get out much?.
originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: GiulXainx
They've been doing this in Tennessee for a while and the "privilege" gets abused all the time.
They're hoping to catch folks with a few hundred bucks on them or a nice car to plant drugs in so they can confiscate the whole rig.
The department gets the money they take so you can rest assured it's a free-for-all in some cases.
originally posted by: GiulXainx
Since nobody carries around large sums of cash it makes it very suspicious to an officer.
Lol , dude are you even real....like is this really your thought process or are you just trolling? How can you roll over for this abuse it's literally jaw dropping. The point your missing is that it's none of the government's business. "Excuse me sir, care to explain what your doing with all that cash", my response...."do I know you, I don't think so, have a nice day".
originally posted by: GiulXainx
a reply to: ColeYounger
They can find out if you obtained that money from an unverifyable source by checking your bank records.
Let's say you get pulled over and you arouse the suspicion of the officer and they find 7,000 dollars in your pocket. And you say I won it big in Vegas.
Well guess what... That vague statement now has to backed up with proof. If they check your bank statement and see deposits of lots of money from an ATM machine they are going to ask you more questions.
And again the reason why they can in fact do this now is because all employers are now required to send you money via direct deposit.
***at least in my current state it is mandatory that all companies pay their employees via direct deposit.
So, since this is the norm in my state, any innocent person carrying around that cash will easily hand over their bank card to prove that their transactions are 100% verifiable.
So guess what that opens up for the new underworld scheme of things. More false entries of bank records in Mexico. Which if someone in the United States is smart enough they would be getting themselves signed up through square up, and doing multiple transactions with dummy accounts to launder the money. Will it work? I don't know. Maybe it will but it would be easily spotted by the FBI. But not the police.
Taxi drivers see thousands of dollars every month. Uber drivers also go through that much money at any given time. I wonder why it is so hard to launder money in the US when all it takes is a bribe. I myself have thought critically about this for years but I never tried it. I just know that a connection could easily be made right then and there.
But again... The reason why this bill won't go away is due to the perception of your every day innocent civilian being more than willing to prove their innocence.
I don't see this one getting vetoed at all. Unless dirty politicians get involved.
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: roadgravel
Why would the suspect prove how it is used? The judicial system has to prove it is for/from drugs. That's the problem.
That's how it should work, not how it does work. Property charged with a crime has to prove its innocence, it has no constitutional protections. It definitely goes against the spirit of the law, but it's not against the letter of the law.
originally posted by: Bundy
If they can only look at prepaid cards, what's the point? Who loads thousands of dollars onto one of those? Absolutely no one. Drug dealers don't put lots of money into bank accounts and i doubt they fill these things up full of cash either. It would be too suspect of a thing to be doing, they generally avoid that.
Sounds to me more like it's targeting users, the poor.
They're the types to have cash they cannot prove came from a job (they likely wont have) on one of those cards. The cash gets confiscated and they can't prove it's theirs or afford a lawyer to do anything for them.
All the people defending the law here even say they're just targeting those types of cards. Explain why if it isn't what i said in paragraph 2 here. It's all i can come up with that makes any sense at the moment.
originally posted by: dogstar23
a reply to: DeathSlayer
This sounds highly illegal to me, and should easily be overturned (once a case makes it to the Supreme Court.) I guess this means you have to keep pay stubs, receipts, etc., for everything if you're going to travel through Oklahoma, unless of course you're willing to defend yourself with lethal force from anti-American armed robbers who can't be prosecuted.
TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.