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originally posted by: whereislogic
I'm arguing from what we know is possible (using inductive reasoning on established facts). You're arguing from fantasy and wishful opinions about what is supposedly possible.
You can twist and turn all you want and try to shift the burden of proof and hope people remain ignorant about your dishonesty and attempts at destroying my credibility, but it's not going to change reality.
Keep in mind that I am not saying that ID is impossible or that abiogenesis (or naturalism) is fact. If there is a burden of proof on me for something, please let me know what it is, and I'll back it up.
“As in Mathematicks, so in Natural Philosophy, the Investigation of difficult Things by the Method of Analysis, ought ever to precede the Method of Composition. This Analysis consists in making Experiments and Observations, and in drawing general Conclusions from them by Induction, and admitting of no Objections against the Conclusions, but such as are taken from Experiments, or other certain Truths. For Hypotheses are not to be regarded in experimental Philosophy.”
- Isaac Newton (from Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica)
“But you can’t be a scientist if you’re uncomfortable with ignorance, because scientists live at the boundary between what is known and unknown in the cosmos. ...
...We’re always at the drawing board. If you’re not at the drawing board, you’re not making discoveries. You’re not a scientist; you’re something else. The public, on the other hand, seems to demand conclusive explanations as they leap without hesitation from statements of abject ignorance to statements of absolute certainty.”
Evolution is a fact...
Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. ...
You don't have to spell out "nature did it" (as if it's factual) for me to know what supposed fact/reality you're arguing for. But I'm sure if I look hard enough I can find a variatian of it in your commentary. Stating or promoting philosophies as if they're factual.
originally posted by: ssenerawa
*Can mod please move to origins and creationism*
Yes I'm aware this topic has countless topics but bare with me I'm new to Ats.
Ok, doesent it take two chicken to make an egg? Which is why I believe the chicken somehow had to come first.
Take human for example you wouldn't need two to create to have the billions we have. Wouldn't you need at least 4, so that they would actually be able to breed efficiently without the many birth defects that happen when brother-sister, dad-daughter, mom-son or something to that natur
I have never claimed fact or stated them as factual.
originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: ssenerawa
If you are really looking for the origin of the first egg, you need to find the first egg producing creature. This is difficult because internal organs don't fossilize, generally only bones and hard eggs. Don't forget, even mammals that don't lay eggs, still produce internal eggs. Like I mentioned, the egg most likely started as something very simple, like a thin layer around the fetus that was beneficial because it protected it from harm. Less fetus's were damaged as a result so the trait was passed down to more and more surviving members of the species.
originally posted by: Barcs
I have never claimed fact or stated them as factual.
originally posted by: whereislogic
You don't have to spell out "nature did it" (as if it's factual) for me to know what supposed fact/reality you're arguing for. But I'm sure if I look hard enough I can find a variatian of it in your commentary. Stating or promoting philosophies as if they're factual.
Stating or promoting philosophies as if they're factual.
I have never claimed fact...
So, FOR THE THIRD TIME:
List your premise and conclusion.
Don't dodge it and don't go off on another tirade. It's a simple 2 sentence answer. State it clearly. Feel free to ignore everything else, but answer this one question.