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B.Clinton for Eulogy to Muhammed Ali: Why? If he became legend 34 years ahead of his office.

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posted on Jun, 6 2016 @ 06:23 PM
The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

B.Clinton & H.Clinton: "We watched him grow from the brash self-confidence of youth and success into a manhood full of religious and political convictions that led him to make tough choices and live with the consequences," Bill and Hillary Clinton said in a joint statement on Ali's passing.

"We watched him grow from the brash self-confidence of youth"...., Really? I am wondering where H.Clinton and B.Clinton watched M.Ali From? The TV Set of their house on Saturdays at night?

H.Clinton used Death of Muhammed Ali to attack Donald Trump

The country is not yet fully recovered of the scandal triggered by the opportunistic tweeting of Donald Trump using the death of Muhammed Ali to gain attention, and now we see how in the other side of the political spectrum two politicians that really have nothing to do with the Greatest American Boxer and Athlete of the 1970s are trying to steal show in his funeral at any cost.

Why in the name of God B. Clinton must pronounce the eulogy to this great African American? when M. Ali best moments , his great glories were achieved primarily in the 1960s and 1970s and the only President alive of that time is James E. Carter?

If there is a President that must be honored to give the eulogy might be one under which those unforgettable sport achievements were reached, and not a politician that was absolutely unknown at that time.

It should be understandable if any descendent of President Eisenhower who was in power when M.Ali won the Olympic Gold would be chosen to give such eulogy, but a former President that ruled the country when Ali was already in retirement?

Muhammed Ali most challenging fight was not when he became first time world champion, or when he recovered the title, even not against Parkinson disease, it was against a strongly segregated America, in which he was born. At his return of the 1960 Olympia, where he was gold medal, there were still events in which he was not yet invited to eat together with white people.

Born Cassius Marcellus Clay, he changed his name the day after he won the world championship to Muhammed Ali, when he joined the Nation of Islam, a movement that in 1960s protested against the existence of racial discrimination in a nation that claimed to have Christian Values. He was a model of protest and also of excellence and elegance for his own People.

He inspired the character of Apollo Creed in the so famous film Rocky, as Sylvester Stallone remarked in the Oscar awards ceremony of 1977

Now, What few people remember is that Muhammad Ali had his own gift of prophecy. He predicted in 1971 that America was going to have in a times of trouble, uncertainty and confusion, living moments of terrible national crisis, an African American suddenly elected President. He pointed that he wouldn't like to be in the shoes of him.

Are you also disgusted with the political opportunism of the Clintons , transforming what must be a genuine act of respect to a great man in to another show of campaign?

Possibly Muhammed ali would appreciate his eulogy given by a person that fought for civil rights and even was arrested for that cause and to oppose Vietnam war, as he also did, in the time he was the great Glory of the sport, as Senator Bernie Sanders, or by the first African American President Barack Obama or the still alive leader of the civil rights movement former Presidential candidate Jesse Jackson, even by the actor Sylvester Stallone who brought to the movie industry all the drama and passion of the Box, that also offered to Ali an homage still in life, with so important role of the character of Apollo Creed in the story of Rocky, or any of his still alive fellow Box colleagues, like Mike Tyson, but by a President that never gave him any honor in the white house while he was in office?

Mike Tyson remembers and honors Muhammed Ali

The only time that Muhammad Ali met closely former President Bill Clinton was at the grand opening celebration for the Muhammad Ali Center in Louisville, Ky., on Nov. 19, 2005.

Did He charged the usual so high fees he always receive from his speeches for the few words he pronounced in that occasion? possible No, but certainly he got enough free attention from the media.

In Atlanta 1996 Olympic games inauguration ceremony M. Ali lightened the Flame, but he was chosen for that honor by the International Olympic Committee, for his outstanding sport records, not by Bill Clinton, who saw him during the act distantly as all the other public present in the stadium.

( Muhammad Ali was invited and honored by the white house only on G.Ford, J.Carter, R.Reagan and G.W.Bush administrations)

M.Ali received at last the Liberty medal for his great contributions to the national and international sport and his commitment with social causes only until 2012, during Obama administration, he was never acknowledged at all , for nothing , by the Clinton Administration, so what kind of hypocrisy is this one that we are seeing in his death?

The only time in Which M. Ali expressed interests in politics was in 1984 R.Reagan Reelection campaign. In 1984, Ali announced his support for the re-election of United States President Ronald Reagan. When asked to elaborate on his endorsement of Reagan, Ali told reporters, "He's keeping God in schools and that's enough."

Thanks for your attention, please reply respecting the rules of decorum in the communication, express your feelings openly, but avoid personal attacks to other members of the forum.


The Angel of Lightness

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posted on Jun, 6 2016 @ 06:31 PM
Its a pity Bert Sugar is no longer with us he would of done a good eulogy

posted on Jun, 6 2016 @ 07:52 PM
a reply to: khnum

Dear khnum,

Of course, there are dozens of really close friends of Muhammad Ali, people that really know about his great battles in life and were aside him along many of them, that deserve a hundred times better than B.Clinton, the honor of such eulogy, and moreover had something really sincere and felt to remember and to say from the bottom of their hearts about this great American.

Clinton gave to Muhammed Ali only at the very last stage of his two terms with a Presidential citizens medal, in January of 2001, that although certainly is granted as a honor is a second class one, while his successor George W Bush granted him the Presidential medal of Freedom.

This is the description of Presidential Medal of Freedom:

It recognizes those individuals who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors".

While this is the description of the Presidential Citizens medal:

it recognizes an individual "who has performed exemplary deeds or services for his or her country or fellow citizens."

While the former one was created by an Act of the US Congress, the latter one was created by President Richard Nixon,

Which one do think was appropriate for a legendary person that fought against discrimination all his life and to improve the international level of a sport with so many personal risks as Boxing?

journalists Mark Halperin and John Heilemann in “ Game Change,”:
—In lobbying the late Sen. Edward Kennedy to endorse his wife, former President Clinton angered the liberal icon by belittling Obama. Telling a friend about the conversation, Kennedy recalled Clinton had said “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,”..

Kennedy was deeply offended and recounted the conversation to friends with fury.
After Kennedy sided with Obama, Clinton reportedly griped, "the only reason you are endorsing him is because he's black. Let's just be clear."

President Jimmy Carter, who was honored with the Muhammed Ali humanitarian award in 2013, would be several times more logical choice to be chosen for his eulogy, also he certainly invited him to the white house during the ceremony of the signing of the new Panama Canal treaty.

Thanks for your comment

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Jun, 7 2016 @ 04:40 AM
These very personal forehead to forehead photos tell a very different story. These two had a friendship. Its certainly appropriate for him to speak.
Why did you assume this was political?
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posted on Jun, 7 2016 @ 10:01 AM
a reply to: Sillyolme
If you check carefully about a third of the photos in that link either correspond to Muhammad Ali with other people, or to Bill Clinton with other people, not photos of the two consistently.

Now the other two thirds are photos in which both Muhammad Ali and Bill Clinton appear with the same three suits, so they correspond to only three meetings in which they were exhaustively photographed.

Of course the Clintons met M.Ali, as thousands of other personalities also do so, after all he was the Greatest, a living legend that all Americans respected.

By the way, there are also photos of M.Ali with Donald Trump, and with about other three suits, so at least of three occasions, what means that? practically nothing in terms of truly friendship.

Here is the link:


The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Jun, 7 2016 @ 10:13 AM
a reply to: The angel of light

What were you looking at? I linked a whole page of them together.
Point is they were friends that's why he's speaking at his funeral. Ali's family asked him to. He didn't just say hey let me speak.

posted on Jun, 7 2016 @ 10:26 AM
a reply to: Sillyolme

Oh Yes, really close friends, and Clinton gave to him a second class medal to a national hero practically at just 12 days to end his second term in the white house.

Half of the photos of M.Ali and B. Clinton in your link correspond to that ceremony, by the way.

In such a case possibly George W Bush had even better credentials to give such eulogy since he granted to Mohammed Ali the highest civil award the country gives , the Presidential medal of Freedom, in the beginning of his second term:

In 1960 when Mohammed Ali won the Olympic Gold Bill Clinton was still in the high school.

Please why don't you tell me one of Garcia Marquez instead.


The Angel of Lightness

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