a reply to: deadlyhope
Bathrooms are labeled accordingly as well - No one is being discriminated against at all. You can't "Feel" like your chromosomes are different than
Just to be clear you think you should be allowed to use the same bathroom as these girls? (If you are a guy)
Why is it again they can't use the bathrooms with the gender they look, feel, act, identify and associate with again?
The reality is, is that they have been, for quite awhile now. Ever since hormonal replacement/therapy came out, many trans people have gone unnoticed
in the world. Yes there are some outliers that don't transition well, and they are probably the ones that receive the most discrimination.
But the laws are being pushed to protect the outliers. Because many people in the same situation get by, but if they had to wear their secret as a
scarlet letter they'd be just as stigmatized. You can see it by peoples' unwillingness to accept the largely symbolic efforts of regulation.
There are plenty of XX and XY people who use their designated bathrooms and might be presumed to be the other gender. They aren't trans, they aren't
gay, they aren't anything.
There's a very popular and mildly internet-famous do-it-yourself/stepford-housewife/TimBurtonEsque-Artist on social media, who constantly gets called
out as being trans. I think out of blind jealousy. Here's her Flicr stream.
a cookbook right now, but cooks up brilliant food art, clothing, Tim Burton-style photography sets, etc
And some jealous people accuse her of being tran. The same might point at her in the bathroom. The same people might discriminate against her even
though she isn't.
And the same people might walk by this girl:
And not even blink. Even though the second girl is trans. They might see the latter in the washroom and think nothing of it. But if you don't respect
trans-rights, you are basically telling men they should use the same bathroom as these women.
These faux stories you see in media, the politically motivated ones: "A man, a full on man used the washroom peeving my daughter, and when he was
caught said 'trans rights' and there was nothing I could do!"
Given that the stories likely aren't even real, most are completely misrepresented or blown out of context. Or just false. Like for instance, this
story that "an actual man, not trans, claiming he was one, just to use the bathroom to harm my kids!" .....if
that happened, it is not someone
the laws are protecting the rights of:
#1-That's not a transgendered person.
#2-Trans people are not sexual deviants nor pedophiles. You literally have a greater risk sending your kids to church than you do putting them in the
same washroom as a trans person.
#3-If a man goes into a washroom and tries to cite a law for xyz, with the intent to harm your kids, or get in the opposite sex's bathroom - it just
means he's a filthy pedo, or a pervert, or making a stupid political point, that went into the opposite bathroom, it has nothing to do with trans
Now if you want to discuss giving trans people a way of officially changing over their gender, as in they get a temporary then permanent gender ID
change, which works across all official ID documents, but they need to be undergoing hormonal replace therapy and actually transitioning, something
like that is a balanced perspective. Reasonable as well.
It's beneficial to the trans community and it also prevents people from assigning themselves gender as they see fit. Even in the capital of the world
for this community, Thailand, there is still a problem with refusing to allow people to officially change genders. So I could see it as a relief to
the ill-informed/uneducated, while being beneficial to their community.
Thailand's Yollada “Nok” Suanyot
, daughter of a conservative policeman was one of the first
truly famous, respected trans woman in the country. After a modelling, acting, media career, she went on to get a PhD, run a fairly large jewelry
company and eventually went into politics. Pushing for more rights and acceptance for her demographic.
followed in her
footsteps, or inspiration at least and became a famous movie star recognized throughout Asia starring in a number of roles in various big production
films. I think the last one was produced in Hong Kong, the Hollywood of Asia.
Point being that this is something other places in the world have already started working on, to give self-respect and remove discrimination for all
types of people. Just like at one time letting blacks on the bus or allowing blacks to use the same washrooms was controversial, eventually stuff like
this will be looked at the same, it's prejudice melting away.
The laws you think that are being made simply to create controversy, they aren't really, it's people who refuse to acknowledge these people exist or
they should have the right to, who want to prevent them from being recognized that are making such an issue out of it. Just let it go.
Remember, if you are saying they can't use the washrooms they identify with, if you are a girl you are telling the world you want these girls:
In the bathroom with your husband. And if you are man, you are telling the world you want to be in there with them. What does that say about you?
edit on 6-6-2016 by boncho because: (no reason given)