Emotional people are not spiritually evolved people

It's a fifty-fifty thing really, Left or Right can both have their flaws or set backs in their theories or practices of Spiritual Attainment. Emotional people are no more different then a campfire, needing fuel, and requires attention to stay lit, but it will eventually burn out, however it cooks, sanitizes, keeps other warm. While someone who is detached, is more like Water, it could require very little attention at all, where as they could be viewed as being patient , or even adaptable, "Go with the Flow"...But it does get cold...Very Cold. And yet, life can't exist without, while being changed by it.

Attachment or Detachment is nothing more then a mind game of attempting to understand oneself, where attachment can give one meaning depending on what the attachment is, wether family or just simple greed, going for the Gold. Detachment would be no different then taking a step back, and see the world spin like a fool on a hill, not being bothered with triviality but all the while, one does not become part of the world if they just sit there with there eyes closed.

What makes one claim to be detached when one attaches themselves to a whole bunch of books, concept, or theologies? Wouldn't the idea of Enlightenment be about personal growth to the point one walks in all aspects of life's Joys and Troubles, rather then being a designation, or an accomplisment?

Why be a brittle piece of iron, when one can be a strong piece of Bamboo...Or some crap like that.

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: birdxofxprey

I think you are reading into my statement of controlling destiny a little too deep. What I mean by this is that if you are controlled by your emotions you have no idea where they will take you like a leaf in the wind. That is what I meant by controlling destiny and no deeper than that. You must become the master of you!

Okay -
A spiritually advanced/evolved person is not controlled by their emotions.
That seems a pretty straight forward idea.

But you've attached a lot of other baggage to your idea. Most notably, the propensity to assess the spiritual development of others. And your assessments appear to be based on speculation.

You observe, for example, “a person who got carried away with the music” or “airy-fairy hippy types dressed in lose soft clothes 'feeling at one with nature'” and draw a conclusion that these people are controlled by their emotions.

“those people who work themselves up into a fever are an example of emotion overload therefore not spiritually evolved”

Certainly it is possible for people to become emotional deliberately? Perhaps (for some people) getting caught up in music or hugging a tree is a deliberate (and successful) attempt to induce strong emotion. If this is possible, then the people you describe are not controlled by their emotions but are willfully manipulating their emotions.

So, as an external observer, how can one tell whether another person is controlled by and at the mercy of their emotions or has cultivated the ability to stir them up according to their wishes and needs?

If two people happen upon a lake and one jumps in while the other walks away, is one controlled by the lake and the other not? There's no way to tell. The one who jumps may be acting on an irresistible urge while the one who walks away is being more deliberate. Or, the one who walks away may be compelled to do so while the one who jumps in is acting deliberately.

Similarly with emotion. Jump in, or don't jump in. But the reason why (or if there's a reason at all) cannot be determined through observation alone.

a reply to: zinc12

As someone who has a very low emotional register I am going to disagree with this. Balance is the mark of a spiritually evolved person and if you deny a part of yourself you are not spiritually evolved. My difficulty in relating to others has been the one thing to hold me back.

a reply to: zinc12

Nonsense.

That's a bias from your experiences and perspective.

1. Christ was rather emotional. Are you calling him not very advanced spiritually? LOLOLOL.

2. Emotions are not necessarily only animalistic at all. There's a lot of refinement in a human's emotional capacities and skill sets--particularly with good parenting.

3. Emotions are motivating and energizing. Sitting around passively and chanting 'Ohm' endlessly may be low on emotional intensity--it's also low in a lot of estimations as an example of spiritual stature.

4. Emotions are wise to be tempered by wisdom, rational thought, the boundaries of social and other realities, etc.

5. Trashing emotions is short-sighted and probably a result of not understanding them well--and not understanding their constructive roles in mature individuals and mature relationships.

a reply to: Kennethy77

thanks for your comment

a reply to: zinc12

In my opinion firstly if you were to ask the parents of these people they would tell you that they have been very emotional since they were kids, prone to temper tantrums, crying, throwing things, getting overly excited and running into doors, hitting other children in temper tantrums, lack concentration etc

i think you will find this behaviour is mainly down to sugar. Giving kids sugar especialyl toddlers is like giving cocain to an adult. Sugary rubbish food is cheap so many families will use it, and none the wiser of the implication it has just down to not being educated.

if your kids are crazy, take sugar out their life. Why are kids so happy when they get sweets, because they Subconsiouly about to get high

a reply to: birdxofxprey

When you observe someone reacting to music it is very observable if they loose all control, and its very clear you are not the only one who thinks it by the reactions of others around them too. I have often seen someone totally spaz-out on the dance floor sometimes even knocking others over and its clear until the tune they fancy came on they were ok. So yeah a spiritual persons emotions never rise so high to totally spaz-out and go out of control.

Some people likewise experience blind rage when their emotions run so high they could literally stab someone with a knife and its only after they come out of this rage that they realise what they did. Some people even claim that they were so angry that they cant remember what happened.

Same with sadness some people get a wave of sadness overcome them and they go out of control falling on the floor or throw themselves off a bridge or under a truck.

Passion is another example we have all seen the couple in public where those around shout "go get a room" these people or at least one of them is not even aware of there surroundings or the people around them.

It is very clear that humans are not born with their emotions set at the same level and the spiritually advanced in my observation are not highly emotional people. To be highly emotional is a massive disadvantage on the path to enlightenment in fact it makes that path impossible as one represents self mastery and the other represents the exact opposite.

a reply to: zinc12

Everyday ats gets more and more ridiculous. As of right now this is the dumbest thread of 2016.

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
a reply to: zinc12

Everyday ats gets more and more ridiculous. As of right now this is the dumbest thread of 2016.

"Man is the only creature that refuses to be what he is".

Albert Camus

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
a reply to: zinc12

Everyday ats gets more and more ridiculous. As of right now this is the dumbest thread of 2016.

"Man is the only creature that refuses to be what he is".

Albert Camus

Unlike Animals Man has two natures, the animal and the man, he will chose which one to side with more. The unconscious instinctive animal or the fully conscious man.

originally posted by: zinc12

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
a reply to: zinc12

Everyday ats gets more and more ridiculous. As of right now this is the dumbest thread of 2016.

"Man is the only creature that refuses to be what he is".

Albert Camus

Unlike Animals Man has two natures, the animal and the man, he will chose which one to side with more. The unconscious instinctive animal or the fully conscious man.

The fully conscious man still retains chemicals and hormones that cannot be denied.

Totally agree, most people are controlled by their emotions. Most people on this planet regret what they saw because they were "emotional" at the time. That's not having control of ones self, so if they're not in control, who's controlling them?

a reply to: zinc12

Its a left brain right brain argument... when both hemispsheres achieve balance theres completeness or balance... a time and place for things, composure and enjoyment instead of immdiate self gratification or mindless self indulgence, something such as refinement this is something that typically comes with age though... its nice to see youthfulness embracing the spirit of life instead of all atlased with the worlds weight as long as they can to make te world lighter and not such a heavy place.

Its better to think of it like wine, instead of observing then whining about how someone else is living not oneself... that also speaks of issues with control... so in control of oneself they wish they could control all behavoir is no less idealistic.

But like young wine being sweet like a merlot that over time if it doesnt sour or bitter but ages the bouquet of that merlot turns into a much finer wine like a bordeaux... that isnt so sweet and grapy but has more flavors of the world around it like the sages planted near by etc for specific agings.

Ive seen young people being 'offered' who knows what in venues the intention of the giver who knows? Is the intention to expand their mind on a journey or to rape them or get a new customer? Difficult to say but at the same time seeing this person just grab it and swallow it without even asking what it is or what it does... I suppose thats a part of the journey or wonder too.

Of course the leading cause of death is life itself... so some people need to relax the reigns a bit, have those difficult conversations so children are aware. I mean it wasnt that long ago that the period talk was a no no, then out of the blue to a girls horror here she is thinking shes bleeding to deathh for however many days freaking out needlessly because nature is naughty or somehow evil.

Yet these are or were concidered adults and adult views... fear of the unknown and experience does get one wound a bit too tight like a cabernet thats gone a bit too cork in the opening from not laying down and trying to stand up right all the time and basically makes sour face out of the mouth with everything it touches.

Well, vinegar boils and frys pretty good since we are talking spirituality... and dry humor rarely gets a nod unless its rye with retention of some hook that makes us appreciate the teller more than the catcher for quirk.

But logic and rationality must blend in harmony for good raisin' and reason for that matter... well any matter tbph.

Ever notice when Spock on Star Trek got some emotions going it was always extreme even when they were simple situations... I wouldnt call that over acting, it was logical that in one extreme shifted into forgeign territory it would be displayed as the other extreme. Kinda like the bikini made people lose their minds in the 50s, now a days its meh not even a topic of conversation unless youre at a dennys and thats the dining attire someone has chosen...

Social norms are an interesting thing to observe... and walking around with a proverbial stick inbetwixt the buttocks just means a bad landing sometimes and not just extreme spincter mastery in retentiveness mistaken as repentiveness.

Live and learn has been around as long as experience has been a teacher... dont steal its role unless asked is my advice.

Emotions are the very best, and the very worse of 'humanity'.

They should be tempered, and controlled.

And one should never be ruled by them only guided.

That's the spiritual part.

At least imo.

lets all become emotionless robots then! thats the key to enlightenment

Every terrorist, every religious fanatic that has ever detonated a bomb or cut someone's head off have been an overly emotional person pushed into action by an evil mouth whispering in their ear. In truth these people who groom others to commit such acts are experts at spotting the more emotional individuals. Every religious fanatic you find on a street corner shouting with eyes ablaze are emotional idiots, they are very far from being spiritual people indeed!

a reply to: zinc12

Every religious fanatic you find on a street corner shouting with eyes ablaze are emotional idiots, they are very far from being spiritual people indeed!

same cold be said for people like yourself.

You sound so absolute in your words, you know what emotional state all terrorists have, you seem to know who and who isn't spiritual based on a certain action.

Do you consider yourself a spiritual person, If not is that why you can recognize those who aren't spiritual because they mirror your actions?

Unlike Animals Man has two natures, the animal and the man, he will chose which one to side with more. The unconscious instinctive animal or the fully conscious man.

How are we to understand this?

Humans have human nature, and humans have non-human nature too?

Whatever nature(s) we find or create within ourselves as humans, that's human nature.
Moreover, one cannot go against one's nature.
Can an apple tree bear peaches? No. Why? Because it is not in its nature to do so.

You have assumed that humans are not animals (why should we think this is so?). And,
You have assumed that humans are superior to animals.
If your assumptions are true, then humans do not have animal nature, and your claims in this thread are unsupported.
If your assumptions are false, then the conclusions you're drawing from them are not supported.

The resistance to your ideas in this thread (I think) is not so much a result of people disagreeing with you as it is a result of you contradicting yourself each time you are pressed for further explanation.

If you don't like people who are (in your opinion) too emotional, why not just say so?
Difference in itself is not a reliable indicator of superiority or inferiority.

a reply to: birdxofxprey

You have to refuse the fact of evolution to understand it... many do not understand that evolution is simply adaptation mentally or physically to adversity found within the environmental or the mental hemispheres.

Negative emotions can be used as a sign that something is not a true representation of who we truly are. Joy can be seen as a sign that we are expressing our true authentic self.

What is not spiritual about "Knowing Thyself" and living in Truth of who we truly are? What is not spiritual about being aware of our negative emotion to know that we are heading where we would rather not be?


In my opinion, Truth is spiritual and following our True Self which means living in happiness and not in anxiety is very Spiritual.

The more emotional you are, the easier it is to tell what is truly an expression of you that will make you happy and what is not.