The End of Gender, neither Transgender nor any other.

Progress in science is advancing rapidly. Genetic engineers will soon have the ability to re-define the human being, making suitable changes to the DNA code. But, what will we change?

Once we can create babies in the laboratory, there's no need for male and female anymore. Today, you need a mom and a dad, for both conception and natural birth. But, already, your mom doesn't have to have sex with your dad to produce you.

Today, we have "artificial insemination", where a woman can just go to a sperm bank, and buy a sperm to fertilize her eggs, and have a kid without even knowing the father.

Still, we need a mom for those 9 months the kid is developing, and to give birth. And we need a man, for the sperm donation programs.

That's just the current state of science, however.

Soon, all development will take place in a vat, babies will be conceived in the lab within test-tubes, and those 9 months developing will take place in industrial factory setting, just as all modern biotechnology engineering processes are done today.

Change is coming.

But, how to get people to accept this change?

While science is making rapid progress, the society needs to catch up, there's a great need to change the belief systems of the population, to remove the psychological barriers in people's minds, so that they will accept the coming changes.

Change doesn't happen overnight. There must be a plan. It has to be gradual. Old folks die off, and with them goes their biases and prejudices, and the newer generations grow up with new ideas, accepting change readily.

Those who read scriptures know exactly what change is coming, and when !

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." -- KJV, John 2:19
"he spake of the temple of his body." -- KJV, John 2:21
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" -- 1 Corinthians 3:16
"And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days." -- Matthew 26:61
"be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years.." -- KJV, 2 Peter 3:8

When Time:

Mankind is "destroyed and rebuilt" in 3000 years from the birth of Jesus. 2000 years have passed. We have about 1000 years more remaining for the transformation to be completed.

What Change:

"When you make the two one...and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female...then will you enter the kingdom."
-- The Gospel of Thomas #22
gnosis.org...

So, the destruction of "gender" is part of the plan.

Hence all the LGBT issues being promoted currently.

Where are we currently, in the plan?

"You read the face of the sky and of the earth, but ... you do not know how to read this moment."
-- The Gospel of Thomas #91

Look around, read the news, follow the policy changes, examine the changes in civil law.


We need to change the definition of "parents".

Used to be parents were a mom and a dad. That's the old paradigm. Required because only a woman could conceive and bare a child, and only a man could fertilize her eggs. There was no science, so the man and woman had to "fall in love", to be motivated to "get married", and "stay together", while the child was developing into an adult.

So, the idea of "marriage" included several things
(1) man + woman
(2) love
(3) conception through sex
(4) natural birth

People who grew up with this paradigm, think of it as natural. It's all they know.

The problem is how to get these people to accept the "factory born babies?"

Think ahead, of the problems that emerge in the future.

One kid is factory born, another is natural born. They both meet in kindergarten. Kids love to tease and taunt each other, they are not mature yet. So, the factory born gets taunted by the natural born children, who claim factory birth is not of god, but of man. Think of the problems kids have today, from different races, different religions, one fat kid among the many normal sized kids, etc..how they interact. Now, toss a kid in there, who isn't even conceived and born from parents, but who comes out of a test-tube and developed in a mechanical vat. Psychological problems are guaranteed. So, we need a solution. The solution is to prohibit all natural birth, so that all kids are born in the factory. All have equal status. None can poke fun at the other's expense.

How to get people to accept this coming change?

First, destroy the old conception of "marriage".

Children still need "parents". But, parenting must be disconnected from "conception"
and "birth".

This "disconnect" is achieved by introducing "homosexuality". Two gay men can now get "married". But, they can't conceive nor give birth. However, they can adopt kids. By promoting gay and lesbian marriage, the idea of marriage is transformed, and the psychological attachment to "conception" and "birth" is broken. The next generation of children will grow up thinking that marriage has nothing to do with conception and nothing to do with birth. It's a gradual change. Just an essential intermediate step on the long sequence of changes required before the ultimate goal.


Intense promotion of homosexuality is underway. Although, only about 10% of the population is supposedly homosexual, notice that 90% of all Hollywood movies and TV Series are now required to have gay and lesbian scenes, to introduce and promote homosexuality to 100% of the population. And the laws and news media have taken the 10% issues up and promoted them as being most important things we should be thinking about today. Even the president put this on his agenda, as one of his major running issues; more important than even jobs !


Once gay and lesbian marriage, and homosexual parenting, is accepted as normal, then the house and senate can introduce a law banning all heterosexual couples from having their own kids by sex and natural birth. They will be able to point to the homosexual parents, who have to adopt, and have demonstrated that parenting of factory born kids is a happy and completely successful parenting paradigm, well proven by the test of time, so why should any heterosexual couple object to being made "equal" to the homosexual couples.


The law introduced will be based on the following arguments:

[1] all married couples should have equal rights, so if one couple must adopt, all should adopt

[2] there's nothing special about heterosexual relationships, there's no difference from gay and lesbian relations, so they should not be granted any "special" dispensation to conceive their own kids

[3] heterosexual relations give birth to children with thousands of genetic defects. This puts a strain on the society. While with the factory born, the scientists can control what genes will be edited out to remove the known problems, and produce healthier babies, free from all these diseases. The government will, by then, have passed "universal health care", where, through requiring people to buy "medical insurance", or accept "government provided health insurance", there will be a financial cost connected to all health issues. The legislators can then make the argument that the taxpayers should not be footing the bill for the risky natural born babies, and the heterosexual parents who want to have natural births will not be able to afford the "insurance premiums" that come with taking the risk of having natural born kids that might have genetic defects.

Even though the healthy heterosexual couple would probably produce perfectly healthy kids, they wouldn't be able to "afford the insurance" that the insurance companies determine, "by statistics", that they must pay to take the risk. This is how control over freedom of decision is achieved.

So through financial pressure, long before the law banning natural birth is passed, the number of heterosexual couples opting to go the natural route will have been reduced significantly. Then, at the time of the law for complete ban, the number of voices opposing will be so few, that the law will be easily passed in both house and senate, and easily signed by the then president, without any significant opposition.


Since promotion of homosexuality is not really the goal, but rather just one of the necessary intermediate steps, other issues, like transgender bathrooms are introduced to alter the people's perception of what makes a man or a woman, male or female. The idea is to create so much conflict, surrounding the issues of gender, that the population will breathe a big collective sigh of relief, once gender has been eliminated from the society entirely.

In the old societies, men and women had separate roles, as well as separate body types. So, there were no conflicts.

Today, men and women still have separate bodies, but play much of the same roles, so the body type is like an appendix, a previously functional appendage, which no longer has any function to play. Tossing male and female body types together causes lots of conflicts, which we refer to collectively by the term "sexual harassment". We expect men and women to not be male nor female, but be some kind of "neuter" person when they meet and greet each other. All laws are promoting the "neuter" interaction.

The only thing left, is for science to give us the "neuter" body types, to go along with the "functions" we have already established for people in the society.

The body is coming.

"The kingdom of the father is like a certain man who wanted to kill a powerful man. In his own house he drew his sword and stuck it into the wall in order to find out whether his hand could carry through. Then he slew the powerful man." -- The Gospel of Thomas #98

"Man" the "heterosexual animal" is to be slain. Replaced, by the new model. No more harassment, yea!

But, we have to wait another 1000 years to get there.

"even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." -- KJV, Daniel 12:4

Scientists still have much more "knowledge" to get.

Still, we can see the progress being made towards the goal, by looking around at the present changes.

Of course, there could be wars fought, by societies that want to keep the "male + female" paradigm, disagreeing with the modernists who want to "neuter" everybody. But, because the change is so gradual, it's obvious the old fashion paradigm will lose. Even today, there are religions that separate men from women, and treat them differently. These religions are viewed by the secular society as backward, regressive, and oppressive. Therefore, we know where the secular society is heading. Well, none of us will be around to see what happens, but we can understand what is currently happening, by reading scripture and thinking ahead.

Follow Jesus' advice,

Jesus said, "Become passers-by." -- The Gospel of Thomas #42

The motivations for the changes are already built into the DNA of the new kids being born.

Jesus said, "They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth...the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary." -- The Gospel of Thomas #16

So, if the newer generation finds it thinks differently from their parents, look, the scriptures said it would be so.

Just, be yourself. Follow what you believe in. Don't let anybody else "twist" your mind. Just don't interfere with other people's ideas. Remember, there's a plan. The scriptures said, everything that is happening around you today, was predetermined.

But, that brings up an interesting question for debate.

Its it "predetermination" or "predisposition".

Could we change the plan, even if we wanted to?

I would much rather feel the burn of a nuclear apocalypse on Earth than to ever even fathom this becoming our future. Basically just advocated for the destruction of free will and becoming machines in a subtle manner. I choose nuclear apocalypse.

"Not oppressing women" is not the same as scientifically removing reproduction capabilities of humans and replacing the entire 7 billion people with scientifically produced children with no gender. Let's not forget how easily corrupted this type of system would be and the implications of removing all freedom from individuals. That is the goal, yes? Remove identification and make everyone exactly the same?

Besides, scientists have more interesting things to accomplish than removing reproductive organs from test tube babies, especially when we can barely manage to education most of the world.

To implement this plan, you would have to shut down the pubs.

Scientifically speaking..

At what point in the plan do you stop the bom-chicki-waa-waa?

You think taxes were fought for?

There is another view of this "plan." It goes ...

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Matthew 24:36-44

originally posted by: Mandroid7
To implement this plan, you would have to shut down the pubs.

Scientifically speaking..

At what point in the plan do you stop the bom-chicki-waa-waa?

You think taxes were fought for?

Scientifically speaking, the only reason out bodies maintain our sexual plumbing is for procreation. If we eliminate the need for that, then evolution would ditch that plumbing in a heart beat as it is expensive in terms of survival resources for our bodies to maintain.

So yeah, eliminate the need for sex to procreate and you might as well eliminate sex.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
I would much rather feel the burn of a nuclear apocalypse

Ah, but that's the whole irony. None of us will be here. So, why should we care?
Say, 500 years from now, all kids are born with neutral gender. Those kids will immediately accept it as normal.

It's only you, who have a heterosexual body, that have come to love the body you have.

Whatever body and environment we are born into, we think that is natural and normal. We don't know anything else.

Talk about reading into things.

You are bending scripture to shoehorn them into some subjective fantasy of yours. How many assumptions have you made?

A lot of the quotes don't even fit into this theory of yours, they're construed - quite liberally as well I might add - to fit this perspective of yours.

They also stem from a grave misunderstanding of the esoteric dimensions of these quotes.

"When you make the two one...and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female...then will you enter the kingdom."

This quote for example, has a very specific meaning to mystics and it has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

And why are you writing about this dystopian vision as if it was positive and not frightening?

a reply to: AMPTAH

It will be a heck of a long time before a lab can accurately replicate everything that happens in the womb.

I'm not so much worried about losing genders. I think "lab people" would be a scary direction to move in!!

- AB

originally posted by: ketsuko
There is another view of this "plan." It goes ...
Matthew 24:36-44

Yes. It's the same plan. What actually happens is this: women become extinct. The neuter body, is not really neuter, it's male. The men vote to eliminate the female body type, because that body is no longer needed for procreation. It also has lots of impediments, menstruation, etc.. that are seen as drawbacks. However, at the end of the 1000 years, when all who walk the earth are in male body types, and all are born from factories, some of these "Elohim" decide to create man in their own image, after their likeness. And when they create the new man then, they again make "male and female". So, they bring back the woman. At that point, the descendants of these Geneticist Elohim, the so called "sons of god", look upon the women and find that their are "fair", and take onto them "wives", each one they choose. The idea of a "wife" is again a novel thing in those times. Right about 500 years after the introduction of the new man, we find these sons of god marrying and giving into marriage with the men. That's when Jesus says he will return, "as in the days of noah." Just before the harvest. The same conditions repeat, over and over. It's a time cycle. That's how the 3 wise men knew that Jesus had come, 2000 years ago. They just looked at the stars, and calculated the time, Jesus comes twice in the long cycle. Once to plant the seed and the message, and again to collect the harvest. The concept of "end" and "beginning" is all relative to the point of reference you pick in the never-ending cycle of time.

The question, of course, is can we end all cycles. Can we pick a different path this time around, that would take mankind on a different route?

There are two possible reasons for the scriptures:

[1] to tell us of the future, which is known only because it's a "predetermined" repeating event, and these things happened before, so that we won't be perturbed when we see these things happening again. That's what Jesus claimed,

Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you -- The Gospel of Thomas #19

So, essentially, being aware of what must happen, gives us psychological relief, when we see events unfold in our time, and the verses in scripture "minister to us", bringing internal peace.

=OR=

[2] to tell us of the future, which is known because we have a "predisposition" to repeat the same things over and over, so that we can exercise our freedom of chose, and pick an alternative path this time around, and maybe go on another evolutionary path, instead of being stuck in the same old cycle.

We end up with the same dilemma, "predetermination" or "predisposition". ?

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
And why are you writing about this dystopian vision as if it was positive and not frightening?

How on earth, can it possibly be "frightening" when none of us living today will see the ultimate unfolding in our natural lifetime?

That is the secret of the whole thing. The lifespan of a man is too short, for him to be bothered by what is to come after him. This is why people can fight for "rights", without regard to the eventual consequences of the changes. He is mostly concerned with issues much more local in space and time. These things are too far off.

It is those reading these archived forums, 500 years from today, that have to worry. They have to wonder, looking at the new scriptures being laid down today, how we could possibly know of their condition, way back when. But, for us, this is just healthy debate on hypothetical possibilities.

If this really were the case. Does God really expect people to understand a message this unbelievably cryptic? I mean, the mental acrobatics required to even uncover this message is considerable. It kind of loses it's value as prophetic when no one understands it. To be fair, this sort of goes for biblical prophecies in general.. no one has a clue about the real meaning and even adepts disagree with each other. Kind of worthless in that way..

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: AMPTAH

I think "lab people" would be a scary direction to move in!!

- AB

Yet, already, many babies are born "prematurely" and finish their development "outside the womb" in the hospitals today. We don't think of these kids as "scary", just "lucky".

The thing is, once the changes come gradually, step by step, we always accept the changes as being good.

Everything happening with this species is enough to make anyone with morality vomit. The idea of high tech trannys is quite possibly the most offensive thing that could happen. Be honest with yourself... If you were a twenty year old male virgin than met some one you liked, lost your virginity, showed them off to your family, got married but had trouble having a family. Then your love confesses it's a guy from another who spent tens of thousands changing its body so it could live out its fantasy. How would you feel? To know you've been made a fool of so another could get its rocks off.

I don't think gender should be messed with. I believe God is real and that it develops people into
The sexes they're meant to be.

Oh and the real Jesus, Buddha, God, lucifer etc. already exists now but people are just refusing to acknowledge it so he can be further abused in their rituals.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Men voting to remove the female body type? Now I know you are dreaming!

Sex - not the reproduction thereof, is literally the biggest driver of energy on this planet after food and money/shelter.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Are you really calling this thread of yours new scriptures being laid down?

And do you really expect that this agenda will have continued to unfold 500 years from now? And that the people 500 years from now will go, "Oh wow Amptah, how did he know.. he must have been almost godlike in his prescience"?

Do you really, really believe that this will actually happen?

I don't know if I'm detecting dangerous levels of narcissism here or if I'm just imagining things.

originally posted by: ketsuko

So yeah, eliminate the need for sex to procreate and you might as well eliminate sex.

if you want to eliminate sex, you can also get married.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

I kid.

not really

originally posted by: Orangutangman
I don't think gender should be messed with.

Well, that's one valid point of view. It's probably the main cause for the future Armageddon. If there is one. It's about the only issue that I can see would divide mankind into two distinct groups, that would war against each other. The current issues between Islam and the western world, has much to do with this world view of the role of men and women in society. Islam sees the westernization of their culture as destroying the "ideas" on which the male+female paradigm was built, and seeks to oppose the change. Right now, people don't really realize what the big battle is all about. Ultimately, it's about the "definition of man". But, it's happening so slowly, and gradually, that we're all being dragged along, playing the roles on one side or the other, without even realizing the underlying conflict that is being shaped for us, by some mysterious force.

a reply to: AMPTAH

I think transhumanism has way more potential as a divider than gender has.

Also, singling out gender relations as the primary feature defining the differences between Islam and the West is faulty, I think. There's numerous other issues to consider, I don't know if gender is the most glaring one.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Talk about reading into things.
You are bending scripture to shoehorn them into some subjective fantasy of yours. How many assumptions have you made?

I don't think I've made any assumptions. I've simply put the pieces of the puzzle together. The critical piece of info is that change is coming. The scriptures say so. And we can see things changing right before our eyes. When I was born, homosexuality was considered a sin, and people hid their activity behind closed doors, but today, things have changed, people are not only open about their sexuality, but demanding to be married, and look, even the Christian Church, here and there, have priests marrying them. So, how did that happen? How did an old wrong, become a new right? Change. It's happening now. If you follow the path of the changes, you can see clearly where it's all going.

Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest." -- The Gospel of Thomas #5

Open your eyes, and see what is happening around you.

Transgender bathrooms.

How come nobody is suggesting to create "individual stalls" in all restrooms, so that the bathrooms need not be gender specific? A deliberate confusion is being perpetuated, for some mysterious reason. In my home, we don't have men's and women's restrooms. We just have restrooms that only one person uses at a time. A door, a lock, and problem solved. Yet, we want men who identify with being women to go into the little girls restroom. Confusion.

Someone is engineering the social environment, for a particular reason. Or, some spirit guiding events.

To prepare humanity, for the coming future.

You don't have to shoehorn anything. The change is being shoehorned unto us, and that's how we know what the scriptures say. The correct interpretation of scripture comes from recognizing the changes taking place in our sight.