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Yea, it's like the whole thing doesn't make any sense. It's like these words were written by people thousands of years ago in a culture that was scientifically illiterate.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
You have it all mixed up Jesus did not die spiritually only physically.
Then explain to me how He could say "it is finished" before His death.
I don,t see how that forgives sin. But that still does not explain how my sin was forgiven. The bible explains that God gave his son to die for me because he loved me,
John 15:5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned
Rev 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
originally posted by: LenatasataneL
a reply to: Seede
The crucifixion is not what saves you. Believing is the first step then baptism then you receive the Spirit and are saved.
I'll have to disagree with you there. Jesus' spiritual death paid for all sins, so ALL sins are forgiven, hence: "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"
Our spirits are no longer condemned by our sins (since all are forgiven), but our souls are judged for the Works we do apart from Christ.
A non-believer dies the second death (Lake of Fire). A carnal believer suffers injury of the second death (the Outer Darkness).