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Alien Assault in Dechmont Woods, Scotland? : Revisiting the Bob Taylor UFO Encounter

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posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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Back when i was a nipper every house had some of this in it and I'm guessing it was still pretty prevalent in the late 70s as we hadn't reached the point where take aways et al had become that common as a main meal.

I wonder if this is what is meant by ""cornstarch? It is a white powdery substance that i mostly remember being used as a thickener for gravy.

Cornstarch




posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: FireMoon

I think that might be corn flour.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: ctj83

No, Firemoon is right, it is a white powder used in cooking to thicken sauces and it is the extracted starch of the kind of 'corn' that would also be called 'maize'...

..."corn flour" is ground up maize and is used to make tortillas, corn bread, etc..

Of possible interest here, is that when the forensics people asked Taylor's wife about the "starch" they found on his trousers, she assumed they meant laundry starch (used to 'stiffen' fabric while ironing), but that kind of starch comes in a spray can and would not be visible as a "white powder" (as was described in the report)...

...so far the only viable solution to the presence of corn starch comes from the person who posted about it's past use by medical personnel in donning rubber gloves - but although this speaks to the probability of some sort of psy op having been perpetrated on Taylor, I think that hinges on how much corn starch there was visible on his trousers.



posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: lostgirl

I suspect there is a cultural divide here. You know like potato chips are known as crisps in the UK and (although we do have fries) we generally call them chips.

"Corn flour" is used as a thickening agent in gravy etc in the UK and is pretty similar if not the same as corn starch across the Atlantic. I think it may also be used in making batter.

Whether that clarifies anything I don't know.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 06:06 PM
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The corn flour in my larder would disagree. For what it's worth, masa is what we would use to make tortillas. Perhaps Mirage know, but did we use to call corn flour, corn starch?

I can only think corn starch would relate to laundry or surgical gloves. Neither make much sense in this though do they?



posted on Jul, 3 2016 @ 02:17 AM
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Well, the specific words "corn starch" were used in the forensic report, and since Taylor's wife ruled out it's being related to her laundering 'methods', it would have to either be connected to surgical gloves or some source that certainly defies my imagination...

As far as surgical gloves, the only possibilities I can think of is the encounter was a pay-op (the perpetrators using gloves in 'handling' the victim), or the forensic team managed to 'contaminate' the trousers with corn starch from gloves they would have been wearing...



posted on Jul, 3 2016 @ 04:05 AM
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This is where cases like this have the benefits of hindsight. Outdoor workers don't change their trousers every day and this incident occurred on the Friday. It's not out of the question that he could have worn them for several days according to weather and jobs he had done. Maybe Mrs Livingstone had used corn flour earlier in the week and Bob had gotten it on his trousers through that? When I use flour or corn flour, it's not uncommon to get some on the kitchen top. Could Bob have used his hands to brush some off the worktop and, naturally, brush his hands off on the tops of his keks?

If we had a do-over, it would have been useful to have asked them if corn flour had been used at all in the previous days. Perhaps looking at how much flour was used in gloves too. I've used them a few times and the powder is minimal and not enough to stand out on a pair of trousers. Of course, back then could have been different.

ETA - coincidentally, whilst Bob was having his experience, NORAD were having a major 'false positive' of a nuclear strike by the Soviets. link


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posted on Jul, 3 2016 @ 07:20 AM
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....coincidentally, whilst Bob was having his experience, NORAD were having a major 'false positive' of a nuclear strike by the Soviets


Thank god that never came to anything!

I think all this talk about cornflour could be as simple as Bob perhaps having a packed lunch made with fresh bread sprinkled with the stuff. Maybe he'd even made it himself and hence traces were found on his trousers. Sometime the minute details need to be looked into but are ultimately totally irrelevant to the case.



posted on Jul, 3 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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The spiked balls make no sense to me. As described, it doesn't seem possible or practical for the balls to propel themselves. Yet we have the police sketch of the tracks, so I don't know how to reconcile that.



posted on Jul, 3 2016 @ 03:54 PM
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A lot of the story makes no sense. The M8 motorway is literally a couple of hundred yards away but no one else saw a thing during mid-morning. If it was all an hallucination then how do we explain the ripped trousers and the marks in the ground?
Add to that that the 'craft' was nothing like any other alleged UFO sighting I know of.

That's why it's one of my favourite cases.It's all very "Twilight Zone".



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 04:49 PM
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The spiked balls make no sense to me. As described, it doesn't seem possible or practical for the balls to propel themselves.....



It seems there was a theory going back some years now (approx 2001) in "Strange Times" (see IsaacKoi's thread : “Strange Daze” and “Strange Times” magazines (UK, c1993-2002, Gloria Heather Dixon) - PDFs

The specific magazine can be downloaded here : Strange Times - No.1 (free pdf - 18mb download)

There is a feature on the Bob Taylor case in that magazine quoting emails sent to British (and Scottish) UFO researcher Malcolm Robinson.


Matthew Williams who informed me that he remembers watching a programme on T.V. some months back, (he thinks it was an Equinox programme which was on Channel 4 in wh ich they were informing their viewers about various new Military inventions (exotic weaponry ideas and prototypes which were never actually put into any use). He recalls that it featured a device like a round ball which could jump about by punching out pegs fr om it's side. This immediately reminded him of the Livingston Incident.........




.....There are two Military installations near Livingston, one was a nuclear bunker at Wilkiston near East Calder and the other was to the north of Livingston close to where Bob had his experience..........]The MoD facility at Livingston was important enough to have a railway spur installed from the Edinburgh to Glasgow main line directly into the Depot. It is also interesting to note that shortly after Bob's Incident, British Aerospace announced they would cease research and development into unmanned anti­ tank vehicles. (see Jane's World Air­craft about this period for similar American devices). I think this is what Bob experienced.....


A quick web search has not turned up much. Maybe someone else remembers?



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:27 PM
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Such a military device, with balls that project spikes and assault and tear a mans clothes, occurs in Rendlesham Forrest in Ralph Noyes in 'A Secret Property'



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