originally posted by: INEVERQUIT
a reply to: Bedlam
Bedlam, I appreciate your enthusiasm and you and intrptr have been having a spirited debate about tefillim and antennas, but here is the thing...you
simply do not know for sure what they can and can not do with this technology, unless, you are part of the conspiracy and you are here to inflict us
with your own version of mind control and disinformation on the subject.
So, you're actually going to do a logical fallacy and a shill shout in one sentence? I guess it would be too much to get a Gish gallop too.
There's this pesky thing. It's called physics. And electromagnetic field theory. And if you're going to have something that involves radio, then it
will have to have the behavior dictated by that. The same for nanobots.
A sad sad truth is that you can't have nanobots that transmit by radio. At the moment, you're going to be hard pressed to find a nanobot at all.
There's plenty of nanotechnology, and by that they mean engineered materials. But of something with a computer in it, sensors, means of propulsion et
al that are the size of a large molecule, there are none. There are a lot of issues with it. Not least, power. And keeping those atoms in a structure
you'd like, and not having them diffuse into each other and that being the end of your nanobot.
It's not possible to prove a negative, in general, so when someone says 'you can't prove it isn't', they're generally a child, or being disingenuous.
Generally, one tries to structure arguments as positive proofs, such as 'prove that there is a way to transmit radio from a molecular sized object',
or 'show me someone who has a self-contained molecular sized machine. Or any biggish chunk of one that actually works'. Preferably not something sugar
cube sized with the comment 'who knows what they really have' which is an appeal to a negative proof.
This being general conspiracy, I won't ask you for a proof - however, I will offer evidence that it is not so -
The title of my OP was clear, I said maybe, maybe we are chipped, maybe they have figured out a way to do this.
The nature of my counterproof is clear. The physics of fields does not permit efficient transmission or reception of radio waves with gross
dissimilarity between the wavelength and the antenna length. There's also an issue, again at a basic physics level, with dissipation of EM waves in
conductive solutions. It's one of those things you can't avoid.
In addition, the "chip" part of an RFID isn't the entire system. I pointed out that many of the people that believe that they have been injected with
some 'chip' ignore that there is more to an electronic system than a single component, and that they had overlooked the need for an antenna, power
source etc in their fear of the logic section. You can't, for example, swallow the die from an Intel processor and claim you're a desktop gaming
machine - there's a lot more to a computer than that and the processor die, complex and marvelous as it is, won't run the new Doom floating around in
your tummy connected to nothing at all.
Since I do not believe they have ever told the truth about anything throughout history and our government has lied repeatedly about so many things,
maybe they have so many different agendas all tied into one that it would not be possible to ever know any of it for sure.
A good place to start is - does my supposition grossly violate several laws of physics? How does what I KNOW exists, work?
If your first start is "we may have been implanted with GPS chips", then you've got a lot of issues.
1) GPS satellites do not "locate things". From your OP, I gather you might think that. It isn't true. GPS satellites send out very accurate clocks.
And that's it. The GPS receiver figures out where it must be by measuring the time differences between the clock times of multiple satellites, knowing
where the satellites must be with relation to Earth by an ephemeris. You can't have some magical thing called a 'GPS chip' that is tracked by
satellite, it works the other direction. The receiver knows where IT is using the satellite, not the other way around.
2) GPS signals are very weak. And the frequency's high. So the antennas are small, but not THAT small. If they get much below the size of a postage
stamp, they become crappier and crappier antennas trying to receive an already weak signal. Worse, Maxwell's equations tell you that the higher the
frequency of a signal, the more the signal tends to be absorbed by a conductive medium. Like the salt water you are full of. There's no cool magic way
to get by either issue. So receiving a GPS satellite with a very very small part immersed in saline is not going to happen. I'll leave for another
post the OTHER problems with this, like losing the biggest part to impedance transitions from free space to your bloodstream.
3) Calculating a location from GPS satellite data requires a non-trivial amount of power. I know from the layman's POV, you push a button and the map
moves so that you're centered at some location. Magic! But behind the scenes, there's a lot going on. A molecular sized machine is not easily going to
be able to do the thousands of floating point calculations to do this, with diddly for power.
4) If you got past THAT, now you have to do something with the information. Your putative nanobot knows where it is. That's not too useful. It has to
communicate that information outside. However, now it's got to transmit the data, over radio, with diddley for power, with a horrifically inefficient
antenna system, through several huge impedance step changes, through a conductive solution and out of your body with enough signal left to be received
somewhere. And given that you'd expect everyone to be infected by many multiple nanobots, they have to do this in some way that they can be heard and
not just drowned out in a cacophony of millions of similar units.
There's too many suppositions and magic hand waves to make this go. And what you get for an end result is - you know where someone is. There are
easier and far more reliable ways to do that.
That's without taking it the next awful and unlikely steps like "mind reading" or "mind control" which is a bigger bag of snakes.