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Head of ACLU quits after daughters were ‘visibly frightened’ by men in women’s restroom.

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posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Are you out of your mind?...

This info from wikipedia about that website you want to claim is lying....


International Foundation for Gender Education (IFGE) is an American non-profit transgender advocacy organization. IFGE was founded in 1987 by Merissa Sherrill Lynn.[1] The foundation is devoted to "overcoming the intolerance of transvestitism and transsexualism brought about by widespread ignorance."
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en.wikipedia.org...

Here is another one.


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Cross-dressers are one group in the larger transgendered community.
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www.gendercentre.org.au...

Here from another transgender website.


Myths About Transgender

Many of the following myths are also a large part of Transphobia. It is impossible to accept any of these statements and not be within that realm. Unfortunately, there actually are members of the transgender community who are transphobic and do not recognize it.

All crossdressers are gay. Wrong. The incidence of bisexuality or homosexuality in the transgender community is the same as the population at large. Most are heterosexual - straight.
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www.transgenderlondon.com...




posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You're doing your usual ... cut and paste with no relevance to anything ... coupled with you saying "SEE! I WAS RIGHT!"

You're intentionally IGNORING the next two statements that follow up your quote from IFGE that clearly make a distinction between cross-dressing and Trans* concerns. I linked them for everyone to see above.

I demonstrated clearly that you're posting information from the OLD KITS AND DOCUMENTATION area of the GenderCentre site in Australia.

I'll say it again: YOU ARE QUOTING MATERIAL THAT YOUR SOURCE NOTES IS OUTDATED.

This is not worth anyone's time.
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posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: Freija
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

A THIRD bathroom? So you want to force transgender men and women into the same space? How about some more bathrooms for gay and lesbian people too and maybe we could go back to making those damned colored people not use the white bathrooms as well while we're at it?



Naaaa...it is only about biological sex. Let not get crazy here.
Amazing these ppl want to force women and girls to accept males w bits into their sanctuary then have the gall to complain about putting male and female transgendered together. It's all progressive hogwash.


Public bathrooms are not your private Sanctuary. You want a private Sanctuary, stay home.

Public bathrooms are to prevent a health hazard that would be caused by human waste.
Private in the sense it's not out on the open excuse me!!!!!!!! Women's room is for women. There's even a book called The Women's Room by a feminist. Oh by the way I've been to outhouse in India you should try it some time. If there's any toilet paper you have to squat over a hole on the ground. No gender just free for all I get you'd love it. And no running water to wash hands.
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posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: Gryphon66

Still doesn't meet the requirement. You will always be the sex you are born. The document doesn't change a thing biologically.
. The Ama is corrupted anyway. Ever hear of catering to special interests ?

The AMA and legal precedent disagree with you.

As does medical fact in sex reassignment surgery.

Are you suggesting DNA tests now to use the loo?

Are you sure you're not in favor of more government interference in our lives?
. Not really sure why my responses are not showing but in any case Ama is part of Big Pharma and I dont trust them
To be any thing but catering to special interests or being in the pocket of big government
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posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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This is not an incident. It's only news because she complained about it. The three people that walked in did nothing wrong and this should have just progressed normally. It's only because she made it news was it labeled an "incident". She never said the three did or said anything to her daughters.



posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

No, the one doing their "usual bs" is you... Cross dressers are part of the transgender community... They identify in some form as partially female, which is why they dress like females...



posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66

No, the one doing their "usual bs" is you... Cross dressers are part of the transgender community... They identify in some form as partially female, which is why they dress like females...


Cross dressers are just "a part" of the Trans* community now?

Let me help. Transvestism is typically recognized as a fetish, in some cases a paraphilia.

Trans* represents a range of gender identities.

It is possible, certainly, for a Trans* person of either gender to have a bit of a kink for cross-dressing, certainly.

But recognizing that fact is not what your argument has been about, and you know it.

A few posts back, your claim was that most Trans* people are cross-dressers. You even cited sources that are listed as "Old" and out of date to backup your claim (Hint: none of them backed it up at all.)

Your third sentence/phrase above is just plain word-salad, and absurd in any meaningful sense of what terms mean.

So, you've been caught misquoting ATS members, misrepresenting sources, and misappropriating terminology that you either don't understand or intentionally misuse.

None of which address the question in the OP, to wit, the prejudiced public statements of the ex-ACLU DIrector in Georgia.

/shrug
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posted on Jun, 4 2016 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I posted what transgender websites have to say. You are claiming the contrary to what they say... Humm, wonder why you want them to be what you want and not what they see themselves as being?...



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: chrismarco

You know, my wife goes into public restrooms with my daughter. We are sseing too many stories of men in women's rooms, and even a few about attempted sexual assults.



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 01:05 AM
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originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: chrismarco

You know, my wife goes into public restrooms with my daughter. We are sseing too many stories of men in women's rooms, and even a few about attempted sexual assults.


Have you or your wife or your daughter had any trouble in restrooms? Also, as far as those "stories" go ... I think you'll find that none of them have anything to do with Trans* folks harming anyone.

There are stories of Trans* folks being attacked in public restrooms, however.

Here's the fact of the matter: Trans* folks have been using the correct facilities FOR YEARS. The current obsession with plumbing has to do with recent right-wing losses in what they call "the culture wars" rather than concern for the safety of anyone, at all.



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: sycomix
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Mehh, sticks and stones blahh blahh blahh try harder next time

Ohh and yeah, I would dirt nap them for being around my sons, damned right!


So what's your plan? Are you going to stand outside the entrance to restrooms when your kids go in and lift the skirt of everyone walking into the restroom? Perhaps you can get a special badge and call yourself the genitalia police. Threatening to kill anyone with the incorrect genitals doesn't set a terribly good example but hey... This is 'Murica and you can send your children down that dark and winding path. Cause it's your God given right as a natural born citizen and no foreign born Muslim masquerading as president is going to decide what morals are right to impart in your children AmIrite!!!



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 04:15 AM
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originally posted by: gladtobehere

Source.


The ACLU has supported the Obama administration’s guidance on transgender bathroom use in public schools — a principle Maya Dillard Smith stands strongly against.

“It became clear that we were principally and philosophically different in opinion,” she toldAtlanta’s NPR station.

She said she is in the process of educating herself on transgender issues, but claimed there was no room for dialogue at the ACLU.

In a statement obtained by Atlanta Progressive News, she accused the ACLU of being “a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights. In that way, it is a special interest organization not unlike the conservative right, which creates a hierarchy of rights based on who is funding the organization’s lobbying activities.”

Ms. Smith explained that the last straw for her was when her young daughters ran into three transgender adults in the women’s bathroom.

“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults over six feet with deep voices entered,” she wrote. “My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer.”

Apparently, this women was the head of the ACLU in Georgia.

Three men over 6 feet tall, with deep voices, wearing dresses walk into a women's bathroom and somehow thats "ok" or permitted.

I dont have any kids so I have no idea how I would handle our latest 1st world problem.

I suppose I would either accompany them or escort them.

I fully realize that men were free to enter a lady's room prior to these cross-dressing laws but now that its becoming "legal", it seems like incidents in women's bathrooms are becoming more frequent.



A: She is not the head of the ACLU.. I don't know weather that is you are the article attempting the click bait, but it is very propagandaie...


B: this is the most obviously fake story I can imagaine....



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: theatreboy
a reply to: chrismarco

You know, my wife goes into public restrooms with my daughter. We are sseing too many stories of men in women's rooms, and even a few about attempted sexual assults.



None are real stories and the ones that are have nothing to do with trangenders or this law.


1: they do not prosecute minor charges if they have major felonies to prosecute. Meaning even in the insanely unlikely case where a pervert dresses like a woman, while pretending to be transgendered, then assaults someone. They will not be charge ing them with both rape and the bathroom law. They will drop the minor charge and focus on the rape.

Meaning no pervert will ever be charged, only innocent people who need to pee.


2: you are not increasing SAFTEY, if you are not increasing security. No one is offering to pay for bathroom security. The only thing that would actually make a bathroom safer...if that was what they were trying to do in the first place...

3: it is only an attempt to look tough on gays to evangelical voters. Nothing more.



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 04:35 AM
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originally posted by: tebyen

originally posted by: Sargeras

You do understand that we separated this stuff very long ago for good reasons right?



You do realize transgendered people have always used the bathrooms they felt comfortable using, right?


Yes they certainly did and it was no problem, probably because they were actual transgender people and felt and looked like a female and hence behaved like one.

However it is a completely different ballgame to make a law that allows ANY geezer in a dress to hang out in the Ladies loo as long as they say they 'feel like women'.

Only a very naive person would believe that this is not going to be abused by pervs.

Transgender people have never been a problem, I fear for kids and women because of dodgy male males who have just been handed a new, officially sanctioned' pastime.




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posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: Hecate666


Yes they certainly did and it was no problem, probably because they were actual transgender people and felt and looked like a female and hence behaved like one.


It was a problem for some actual transgender people, because either the transition wasn't as successful as they had hoped (therefore they didn't pass as well), or because they transitioned while working for an employer who insisted they use the restroom at work that they used before the transition. Many states recognized this problem and passed non-discrimination laws for transgender people - in some cases, more than a decade ago. Why wasn't it a big deal in the media back then? Because it happened in the more liberal states and there wasn't a bunch of whining conservatives crying "think of the women and children!"


However it is a completely different ballgame to make a law that allows ANY geezer in a dress to hang out in the Ladies loo as long as they say they 'feel like women'.

Only a very naive person would believe that this is not going to be abused by pervs.


Over 200 state and local organizations who advocate for victims of sexual assault disagree with you. You know those other states that had passed these same non-discrimination laws years ago? Well, those organizations have been able to look at the sexual assault statistics since those laws were passed, and they found no increase in any kind of nefarious doings in the public restrooms.


We, the undersigned sexual assault and domestic violence organizations, oppose anti-transgender initiatives. These initiatives utilize and perpetuate the myth that protecting transgender people’s access to restrooms and locker rooms endangers the safety or privacy of others. As organizations that care about reducing assault and violence, we favor laws and policies that protect transgender people from discrimination, including in accessing facilities that match the gender they live every day.

States across the country have introduced harmful legislation or initiatives that seek to repeal non-discrimination protections or restrict transgender people’s access to gender-specific facilities like restrooms. Those who are pushing these proposals have claimed that these proposals are necessary for public safety and to prevent sexual violence against women and children. As rape crisis centers, shelters, and other service providers who work each and every day to meet the needs of all survivors and reduce sexual assault and domestic violence throughout society, we speak from experience and expertise when we state that these claims are false.


4vawa.org...

So the conservative leaders are fear mongering for political gain, and unfortunately many people are naive enough to believe it.




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posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 06:02 AM
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originally posted by: Hecate666

However it is a completely different ballgame to make a law that allows ANY geezer in a dress to hang out in the Ladies loo as long as they say they 'feel like women'.



What law is this that you're referring to here?

Where is this law in effect?



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: gladtobehere

This is the new world and these girls are going to have to learn to live in it.

No mention of any frightening behaviors or gestures, they were only frightened of the appearance.

The mother didn't know how to handle it? How about telling the truth? Children are vastly more adaptable than we give them credit for. And if they are terrified? It's because the mother is.



If any man frightened a daughter of mine in her specified restroom, even looked at her wrong, he'd meet the business end of the crowbar in my trunk. His "New World" will be one filled with oxygen tubes.



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: Gyo01

originally posted by: Sargeras

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: gladtobehere

This is the new world and these girls are going to have to learn to live in it.

No mention of any frightening behaviors or gestures, they were only frightened of the appearance.

The mother didn't know how to handle it? How about telling the truth? Children are vastly more adaptable than we give them credit for. And if they are terrified? It's because the mother is.



Um no, men in the ladies restroom is not "the new world " because I and many like me will not allow this retardation to occur.

You do understand that we separated this stuff very long ago for good reasons right?

Couldn't have said it much better.
If I think I am a housefly can I come in someone's house and eat their food they've just made? Gimme that sammich! I'm is housefly. I know it's not quite the same but I view them both as "not all there upstairs."


Sure, but be prepared for them to chase you round the house, trying to squish and sway you with a rolled up newspaper.

"You, get out of house right now!"
"Hey lady, I'm hungry. I've been out on all six legs all day looking for a meal."
"You got cash? I didn't think so. A free-rider huh? Arnold, get the bug spray from the shed."
"Hey what are soraying me with that stuff for? It's choking me to death."
"That's the general idea!".



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 07:18 AM
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It would be so amazing to experience even one conversation on Trans* issues without absurd comparisons.

If we really want to talk about delusions, perhaps we should consider the millions of Americans that believe that drinking grape juice and eating really bad crackers somehow honors a magical zombie that could control the weather.

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posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 08:07 AM
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So what if these three transgendered women with deep voices had actually just been tall women with deep voices? Should she have demanded a genital inspection so her daughters were no longer terrified of the tall ladies walking past?

How ever will those children cope when they walk down a street or get on a bus.

This is all so patently absurd.




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