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Bernie or bust: Sanders supporters vow to hold out

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posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 06:23 PM
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Glad to see this, but IMO I think its a little to late.

They should have been this vocal against Hillary from the start instead of focusing on Trump. Sanders should have taken her down in the first debate vs saying the email scandal was off the table. IMO that was a mistake that is coming back to hunt him.




"When you say Bernie or bust, that means if we don't get Bernie, we're just not going to automatically vote for the demon because you're saying the devil may be there," said Billy Taylor, who is organizing a coalition of Bernie Sanders supporters to protest at the Democratic convention here in July.


The way I see it it there are no winners in this election but the least suck as POTUS would likely be Sanders. He is the one that is primarily focusing on Corruption and conflict of interest in DC.

NO other issues can be fixed nor party ideals come into play , until you take on the blatant corruption and conflict of interest. Sanders is the only one that is bringing that to the forefront.

I don't agree with Sanders policies primarily because of timing. You can't tackle taxation, healthcare, or etc until you fix the corruption and shrink gov't to take some of their power away, but he is the only one that is focusing on corruption.

Plus all his socialist ideals won't have a chance with an oligarch owned congress. All I want and expect Bernie todo is bring corruption to the forefront. Its a small step but a huge step to fix things. Majority are still focused on chasing their tails by talking about the same issues (symptoms of corruption ) over and over like : racism,sexism,jobs,economy, healthcare,energy, immigration,etc.
We need to focus on corruption as issue number 1 if anything is ever going to get fixed.



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posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

Do you think Trump or Bernie would fire people quicker?

Edit..not trying to be too blunt, but this will take some guts.

I feel the burn is a career politician complaining about career politicians.

Whats your take?
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posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

I certainly don't agree with many of his to do list ideas, but as you said he truly wanted to tackle the corruption he wants to get money out of politics and that would be a step towards taking back the nation.

Unlike most of the others he isn't trying to get rich he truly wants to serve the country and its people.

I hope his supporters vote 3rd party if he is snubbed out of the race. One way to break the two party strangle hold is to legitimize a 3rd party this election.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

I just can't risk it. I am 100% Bernie but I'm not "or bust". If Hillary gets it, I will happily vote for her as a vote against Trump.

On the other hand, I think if we are so stupid to allow a man like Trump in the White House, maybe our nation deserves him for a few years as a slap to wake us from our idiocy.

Sometimes, I think those secession states like Texas are on to something.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: interupt42

I certainly don't agree with many of his to do list ideas, but as you said he truly wanted to tackle the corruption he wants to get money out of politics and that would be a step towards taking back the nation.

Unlike most of the others he isn't trying to get rich he truly wants to serve the country and its people.

I hope his supporters vote 3rd party if he is snubbed out of the race. One way to break the two party strangle hold is to legitimize a 3rd party this election.


Yeah, but isn't he already rich from politics?
Are we not choosing between a rich politician and a rich business man?



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: interupt42

I certainly don't agree with many of his to do list ideas, but as you said he truly wanted to tackle the corruption he wants to get money out of politics and that would be a step towards taking back the nation.

Unlike most of the others he isn't trying to get rich he truly wants to serve the country and its people.

I hope his supporters vote 3rd party if he is snubbed out of the race. One way to break the two party strangle hold is to legitimize a 3rd party this election.


Yeah, but isn't he already rich from politics?
Are we not choosing between a rich politician and a rich business man?


Bernie Sanders is one of America's poorest senators. His net worth with real estate and all he is worth a little less than a million.

I think Sanders net worth including his home is around 800K. While other politicians make that in a year from doing a few paid speaking engagements that are just a legal way for them to be bribed.

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posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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I hope his supporters vote 3rd party if he is snubbed out of the race.

I hope Sanders can and does go 3rd Party
Peace.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: interupt42

I feel the burn is a career politician complaining about career politicians.



While that is true, I think he is one of the more honest career politicians. And, having seen all the BS in Washington for so long, he has a valid position from which to complain. I admire him for that.

That's just my perception, though.

The supporters should hold out, imo, even if it proves unsuccessful for this simple reason: superdelegates aside, he has 1500 delegates to her 1800.

The DNC is all #ed up anyway, as is the whole process on both sides, for electing and choosing a nominee.

 


Anyway, the deal is sealed: Trump or Hillary. Choose your poison.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

I don't think he will because he has already said he would support the party nominee. We need to break the 2 party system.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Gothmog

I don't think he will because he has already said he would support the party nominee. We need to break the 2 party system.


And it seems party is more important than the system.

No one wants to rip *their* party apart by running 3rd.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

I have no doubt that Bernie would love to destroy the 2 party system, but I bet that in order for him to have been accepted to the Dem platform and run at least a seemingly fair race he had to agree not to run 3rd party if he didn't get the nomination.

Even if there wasn't an agreement there is also a cut off date to get on the ballet for this election. The parties have set it up so someone like Bernie couldn't run third party if he loses.


In order to secure access to the general election November ballots, most states (I believe) have a 60 day filing deadline for a candidate to present fees and sufficient certified signatures from residents of those states. That's why the Democratic and Republican parties have their candidate nominating conventions in August. That's what it takes to get your name listed as a choice.
quora



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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Bernie is toast. Stick a fork in the Bolshevik and bring on Crooked Corrupt Lying Enabler Woman Hating War Mongering Email Lifting Foundation Embezzling HILLARY...

Bring her to us....as tribute. We shall feast on her flesh!!


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posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

I'm pretty sure Bernie supporters have always said its Bernie or bust and that's why Clinton and the DNC are having such a hard rallying them to her camp.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: Swills

I'm pretty sure Bernie supporters have always said its Bernie or bust and that's why Clinton and the DNC are having such a hard rallying them to her camp.

All you guys will be signing a different tune after the convention and Hillary is the nominee. You'll fall in line like good little villagers. She'll be your darling.

Or you'll just throw all your energy into hating Trump and silencing speech that much more (which is disturbing, if possible).

In any event, the fit-throwing hypocrisy will not fail to disappoint in its enormity. It never does.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Gothmog

I don't think he will because he has already said he would support the party nominee. We need to break the 2 party system.

And how many truces and peace treaties have been broken due to them being "inconvenient" . Sanders is intelligent enough to come up with a "valid" reason . If not , lets hope something sticks to Hillary . Dont have to uphold a candidate if they are in a Federal Pen ...



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Why the Sanders supporters keep throwing out the superdelegates is beyond me. Like they don't count or are going to abandon Hillary for what ever reason and join Sanders?
She has 2312 and Bernie has 1545. She needs 70 to clinch the nomination. Shell get that from New Jersey alone but California will seal the deal for sure.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

The unpledged superdelegates won't vote until the convention. As Hillary said in 2008 (in reference to RFK's assassination), anything can before the convention.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Every seat in the house and half the Senate seats are up for grabs this November. I hope these young democrats will participate in those races and perhaps have more people who share Bernies ideas writing legislature in Washington.
I hope they remain enthusiastic about the process and continue being involved in our government.
Even if the don't vote for Hillary.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Speedy justice aside I doubt they could indict, prepare for a trial, have that trial and sentence her all within five months.
Defense depositions alone could take a year.



posted on Jun, 1 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye
Its a silly wish that is not going to happen.

RE:Your RFK comment
Is this some new conspiracy now that she was secretly referring to Bobby Kennedy's assassination in regards to Obama?
Vince Jones craziness again?
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