Collections of weird artifacts - Klaus Dona

a reply to: Marduk

At least Hancock is promoting his recent output as fiction and labeling it as such as opposed to promoting his fiction as an alternate possibility or straight facts. He's the most dangerous type of alternative pseudo science profiteer. He actually believes what he writes and mixed in just enough facts to make it difficult for the average rube to distinguish between fact and fiction. Dona can't even get his facts straight from one interview to the next and sometimes he changes his tune halfway through the same interview or article.

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Marduk

He actually believes what he writes and mixed in just enough facts to make it difficult for the average rube to distinguish between fact and fiction.

No, he's an experienced journalist who knows how to fool people with omissions, fabrications and outright lies. Thinking he believes the crap he comes out with is a little ludicrous when he labels people like Sitchin and Childress amongst his sources


Hardly anyone has heard of Dona, he's small fry

a reply to: Marduk

Valid points. I forgot that he used to be a journalist. I had received a couple of his books as Christmas gifts probably 10 years ago and tried to read Underworld and I believe another one he did with Bauval and they were too painful to finish. I had another one that I've never even opened. Underworld used about the same level of scholarship as 'Holy Blood Holy Grail'. And then there's the fact that Hancock is a Vedic creationist hence his obsession with proving India has a far older history than is currently supported by the archaeological record.

a reply to: Marduk

no, please provide it but you don't have to be snide about it.

sheesh, i am just having fun and typing at the screen, relaxed and enjoying the moment, trying to learn something.
i am sure you are happy and relaxed person also and maybe even enjoy messing with posters in your weird ways ...
well without as many colorful remarks you would be even more amazing poster ... imho!

but ... well, yeah give me your best shot ... erm..
or link, that will do also,
i am curious what you have in mind, thank you!

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Marduk

And then there's the fact that Hancock is a Vedic creationist hence his obsession with proving India has a far older history than is currently supported by the archaeological record.

That's Michael Cremo

Here's Hancock

My own religious point of view is that it seems highly likely that consciousness survives death, and I have tried to make this point in recent lectures, that materialist science works with a model of the brain that says the brain generates consciousness, rather in the way that a factory makes cars, and therefore when the brain is dead consciousness is dead. That’s a view. But again, that is not a fact. It is equally possible, and all the measurements would remain the same, that the brain is a receiver, or a transceiver, of consciousness; that the brain is the junction point between the material and immaterial realms; that is the point through which consciousness manifests into the material plane, rather in the way that a television signal manifests as pictures through a television set. When you destroy the television set the signal is still there.

Sounds spiritualist to me, or just made up, he's good at that as you know

a reply to: UniFinity


Hancock writes in Fingerpaints of the Gods, Chapter 21, all about the similarities between the Old testament book of Genesis and the book of the Maya the Popul Vuh

The Popol Vuh is accepted by scholars as a great reservoir of uncontaminated, pre-Colombian tradition, It is therefore puzzling to find such similarities between these traditions and those recorded in the Genesis story

He goes on to claim that the reason for the similarities are because a lost race taught both the forefathers of the Maya and the forefathers of the Jews, which explains why there are similar stories between the two books, that's Hancock's whole thesis really, a lost race did everything.


Now before the big reveal Unifinity, do you see where the problem lies in Hancocks claim and how it reveals he is a liar ?
or not, still fooled ?



p.s. yeah, I am deliberately a bit snide, if I was nice no one would be out to prove me wrong and in doing so, find out I was right

a reply to: Marduk

"Fingerpaints Of The Gods"....

Nassim Haramein came out with these a few years ago now, I remember seeing them in this video in 2011.



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a reply to: Marduk

Damn, I'm 0 for 2 today! I know Cremo is a Vedic creationist bur for the life of me I can't remember what it was that made me think Hancock was also aside from being married to an Indian woman. The quote you cited is right in line with his affinity for all manner of hallucinogenics, especially ayahuasca. More power to him. I'm all for expanding my mind but I try to stay away from things that make you defecate yourself. Graham apparently is much less inhibited than I!

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Marduk

Damn, I'm 0 for 2 today! I know Cremo is a Vedic creationist bur for the life of me I can't remember what it was that made me think Hancock was also aside from being married to an Indian woman.

Santha Faiia. Born in Penang, Malaysia
0 for 3

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: Peeple

thanks for info about the stones, it is very interesting if they are true!

about india, there is a lot more going on than it is accepted by mainstream in my opinion also.

Most of us who are NOT from India have very little idea of what their history is like... so "accepted by mainstream" is misleading, I think.

a reply to: skyblueworld

I enjoyed that video, thank you.

Kind of play's a little into the egyptian belief system as well were the Pyramid may have been seen as a resurrection machine or even a celestial boat like the bark of a million years were he suggests that the UFO like image is also like the mayan pyramid in shape.

Interesting though of course it still does not provide evidence that these artifacts are genuine, I hope they are simply because it enriches the imagination to find this information and also because it would be hightly controversial and give a few archaeologists canneries until they could come up with a suitable fertility rite to try to dismiss the explanation as something else.

a reply to: Marduk


I am on a toll today! At this rate I think I'll drain my bank account and hit the casino

a reply to: Marduk

hmm
so this is a bit of tough love from you, to get us researching, that is sweet, i understand where you are coming from being snide and it's cute, something a teacher would be doing.
: )

as far as evidence goes against Hancock, i think i see your point.
But i also think you are being a bit hard on the man...his theory is very far reaching, yes, but being totally impossible?
i personally don't think so, even if he may have some parts wrong about it, deliberately or not...he must make wild claims, those sell books after all.
maybe if money was not an issue he would have no need to do that and could tone it down a bit or not, who knows.

But from his interviews he strikes me as a nice mister and talker with honest curiosity and intent to just know the truth, although i did NOT read his books and i don't know a whole lot about him, other than presentations in documentaries and interviews.

well, it would be interesting if he could have an AMA thread here with "ats pros", i would love (polite ) conversation between you two and byrd, harte, peter vlar and ATD also in the mix...very tough crowd and i bet you all would rip him apart, but it would be something to read for sure, if he would not "run away" from you all...
: )

a reply to: Byrd

hah, yes you make a good point!

well just to clarify a bit, i was implying to very ancient times, such as current kali yuga and what may have been before kali.
for instance, like Dwaraka or other cities in their myths and folklore from previous yugas.

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: Marduk

as far as evidence goes against Hancock, i think i see your point. But from his interviews he strikes me as a nice mister and talker with honest curiosity and intent to just know the truth, although i did NOT read his books and i don't know a whole lot about him, other than presentations in documentaries and interviews.)

I hope you see my point, his claims for the Popul Vuh are rubbish, it is not a great reservoir of uncontaminated, pre-Colombian tradition at all, because it was written by Dominican Friar Francisco Ximénez, that's a catholic priest to the uninitiated in an attempt to draw parallels between the two cultures to aid conversion. So its no surprise that there are elements of Christianity contained therein. Hancock of course doesn't mention it, and as both Friar Ximenez and Jesus Christ are mentioned in the preamble, he must have been aware of it, but decided not to tell you to aid his claim of a lost race connecting the two cultures. The lost race in actuality being the Catholic church...

I'm pretty sure that Harte et al have read most of his books, I certainly have and I can certainly tell you that all of Hancock's work is like that, he deliberately bends the truth, omits the facts and misleads his readers, trading on their ignorance of reality. Sitchin and Childress are worse, quelle surprise that Hancock frequently uses them as a source...
He is not a historian, he doesn't care about the past, he's a journalist, has always been a journalist.

He has moved on from his claims of a lost race, his new shtick is to claim that the ancients built all these megalithic structures to warn us of an upcoming cosmic apocalypse. Yes that's right, he's trying to claim that people who were living in the stone age, knew more about the universe than we do. Of course he's missing out all the facts again, yanno, the actual beliefs of the ancients, like the world carried on the back of a giant turtle, or it being a concave disc with a bubble canopy with holes for the rain to come through....Because these beliefs don't inspire confidence in the ancients ability to understand the cosmos, do they ?

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: Marduk
well, it would be interesting if he could have an AMA thread here with "ats pros", i would love (polite

) conversation between you two and byrd, harte, peter vlar and ATD also in the mix...very tough crowd and i bet you all would rip him apart, but it would be something to read for sure, if he would not "run away" from you all...
: )

Hancock has his own website, have a guess what happens to members who ask too many questions,

a reply to: Marduk

ha ha ... guessing...
i can imagine after some time they give you a ban ana.
hah.

yeah, good point. there is no argument that profit is the key for him. And his seems also good at selling and twisting words.
But in his story there may be some twisted facts...but,
everyone, every researcher pro or not at least, has its own story of history and every story has some holes in it, even in official history, if we are honest.
If we in general could focus more on learning and less on selling and banning...well at least his forums could be a nicer place and a good place to start and establish in some way a common language and focus on exchange of ideas rather than competing to prove whos right or wrong.
hah.
don't mean to say, that you are doing that, but there is a lot of people like that.

as far as i am concerned in his story there is a lot with what i am agreeing, even in this thread i have implied previous civilizations which are not supported, yet, due to lack of evidence.

also lack of evidence supported by official science, does not mean anything to me, personally.
when i look at the sites that i have already mentioned in this or other threads i only see possible stories of history and in my personal view, there is a lot hidden history and also not yet researched locations, there are already many such on those sites...and also earth is a big place and still much left to explore and observe and report honestly what is under water, sand, ice, stone, earth, lava, core, hollow earth, ?
heh..

many stories...and your last part about him moving on is just another story and another way to earn money, nothing wrong with that...we all do the best we can, even if we have to do it on morally shaky grounds sometimes,,
it is not a perfect world, ... yet.

i can also imagine that ... a perfect world. everything goes in cycles in nature or universe after all and there maybe was in some forgotten ancient past, there are also such stories. But that would mean that evolution is a bit messed up and the same goes for big bang and probably black holes also. For now there are many theories about them, who knows what story will be final truth?
also.
Earth will still be here for a long while, even if we mess up or do something silly if we will not learn from history, because i think it is true what some wise man said:

“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”
and official and also unofficial history is not bright, but not just dark also, in my opinion ... and who knows how much of current known stories are parts of the truth.

everyone, who does any research and learns has amazing stories and is amazing in some ways and in some others not so much, it is as it is...right?

i am just throwing out my humble opinion about all researchers in general and nothing to prove or convince you or others of anything, i guess i should mention that more often in my posts, that i am not looking for approval, when i am sometimes saying wired unsupported crap by official measurements at least and ergo..for many people, hah.

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: Byrd

hah, yes you make a good point!

well just to clarify a bit, i was implying to very ancient times, such as current kali yuga and what may have been before kali.
for instance, like Dwaraka or other cities in their myths and folklore from previous yugas.

Ah yes, the Hindu cosmology. I loved it when I was younger. It's compelling reading until you sit down and look at the numbers and find out how inaccurate it is.

In addition, think of all the things that make up a civilization: you need a large population that's politically organized (with a set leader/leaders), has domesticated animals (so that they have a reliable food source and food stores for craftsmen to exist) that has developed farming and transport technology (basic definition of a civilization.)

...now...

...nobody went out and rounded up 10,000 Neanderthals (or h. sapiens or anyone else) and said "quit living in caves, guys. We're going to start farming and domesticate those wolves and cows RIGHT NOW and get this civilization going, chop-chop!"

Civilizations come together gradually from city-states which develop from towns which are simply extremely successful villages where they developed farming and other technology. Many people who call themselves theorists skip over this by saying "the gods came down and taught everyone" - but there is no evidence of such a boost anywhere in the world.

Cities and towns leave scars on the landscape, as does farming and mining (and any sort of technology.)

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: Marduk
i can also imagine that ... a perfect world. everything goes in cycles in nature or universe after all and there maybe was in some forgotten ancient past, there are also such stories. But that would mean that evolution is a bit messed up and the same goes for big bang and probably black holes also.

You must take care when you get your information from the Internet or from what you remember in school. They kind of tiptoe in a frightened manner around evolution - if it's taught at all. You get the Real Stuff when you study paleontology (dinosaurs.) While there aren't cycles, we certainly see convergent evolution ("Mother Nature loves a good body plan") occurring frequently. One of the classic examples of this is that saber-toothed feline-oids evolve several different times and from different lineages.

a reply to: Marduk

Just as Cayce is a well known fraud? Is everyone a fraud except you?

It is very dangerous to debunk something without hard evidence it is a fraud. You are very skeptical, and its ok to be skeptical, but you are mixed with annoying as well.