islam, because i am sick of the lies, page 1

islam, because i am sick of the lies, page 1

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Topic started on 17-6-2003 @ 12:03 PM by Wintermorg

hello here we go, truth about the islam

good link, not that i am a christian, but the first half explains the islam
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Sura 5:33 threatens death, crucifixion or hands and feet cut off for those that strive against Allah. Christians and non-Muslims beware! Anyone that isn't a follower of Islam is classed as causing corruption to the earth and is therefore to be killed. The two suras just mentioned are only two of many, many such threats and intimidations. Read sura 9:5 that says to slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, etc.

I don't think the Koran has anything nice or admirable to say about anyone not one of them. The muslims make a big deal of being tolerant but when they conquered a place, they enslaved the men, built a mosque on the local people's most revered sites (eg they tried to build one in the Acropolis in Greece but got expelled first), and taxed the remaining wretched survivors something like 50% of everything for their supposed protection. The hadith in volume 3, book 39, number 524 talks of giving the Jews a valley to farm and of taking half of everything from them.

"O Prophet! make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate." Koran 66:9

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, maim them in every limb." Koran 8:12

Surah 2 has menacing undercurrents and constant hostility against the Jews and the Christians. Hitler would have been proud. Not surprising then that Moslem battalions fought for Hitler in WWII.

'Take not Jews and Christians for friends' (5:51)

Islam is a religion of peace". This is what our politically correct politicians keep telling us. But what is politically correct is not necessarily correct. The truth is that Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of hate, of terror and of war.

A thorough study of the Quran and Hadith reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of Muslims. Islam as it is taught in the Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of intolerance, inequality, violence, discrimination, superstition, fanaticism, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of minorities and women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers and the dissidents. Apostasy in Islam is the biggest crime, punishable by death. Muhammad was a fundamentalist himself therefore fundamentalism cannot be separated from true Islam. Islam, which means submission, demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his imaginary Allah, a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

�And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess�� (Q. 4:24 )

The above verse shows that the Holy prophet did not believe that slaves have any right. You could be a happily married woman living your own life, but if Muhammad and his devout followers attacked your town and captured you, you would lose all your rights, and while your husband was being killed or enslaved you would be given to a Muslim Mujahid who would rape you all with Allah�s blessings.

main.faithfreedom.org...

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" A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister

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Ayatollah Khomeini

" A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.

"

Ayatollah Khomeini

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Muhammed the Pedophile
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I CAN MAKE A DAMN BOOK ABOUT IT WITH 10000000 OF PAGES THAT THE ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF #.

islam and nazi, there been friends for a long time now.
for the same reason i am against the nazi world i am against the islam world, you know the islam world is even worser then the nazi world.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 12:11 PM by Wintermorg

90%-95% OF ALL THE CONFLICTS ON THIS PLANET TODAY
INVOLVE MUSLIMS FIGHTING NON-MUSLIMS OR EACH OTHER!
ISLAM: "Religion of Peace?"

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 12:18 PM by nyeff

'Take not Jews and Christians for friends' (5:51)

This is what Bush and others did not take into consideration with war on terror or Iraq.It does not matter that we want to help them,their mind set won't let them be helped by us.It seems that a lot of the middle east is still in the dark ages.As far as they are concerned our technology and life style are evil.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 12:24 PM by John bull 1

Selectively picking quotes from religious texts is a common game here at ATS.

"90%-95% OF ALL THE CONFLICTS ON THIS PLANET TODAY
INVOLVE MUSLIMS FIGHTING NON-MUSLIMS OR EACH OTHER!"

You seem to have an eye for statistics.Does the same source you've used mention how many conflicts involve Christian?

Or did you just think of a big number??

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 02:02 PM by Wintermorg

well alright, maybe not that big but still alot then.

here in the netherlands 90% of a criminal acts are done by muslims, and that is a fact, i see it with my own eyes.

Originally posted by John bull 1
Selectively picking quotes from religious texts is a common game here at ATS.

"90%-95% OF ALL THE CONFLICTS ON THIS PLANET TODAY
INVOLVE MUSLIMS FIGHTING NON-MUSLIMS OR EACH OTHER!"

You seem to have an eye for statistics.Does the same source you've used mention how many conflicts involve Christian?

Or did you just think of a big number??

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 02:36 PM by Salem

Seems that you forgot somethings, that it is we, christians, who started the three crusade, and obviously, we are starting an fourth one.

Islam was not the only nazi friends in the beginning of the ww2, the vatican and most of the christians was with them, the truth is that they were all hating the jews. The vatican has protected a lot of nazi criminals preventing them to get what they deserved. Worst, Prescott Bush, Grand Father of the US prez was a Nazi suporter.

www.lpdallas.org...
Perhaps Islam is worst than nazi, and perhaps we are even worst than Islam. So we should look at us before looking at others.

Don't judge to be judge first

[Edited on 17-6-2003 by Salem]

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 02:47 PM by nyeff

Seems that you forgot somethings, thats we, christian who started the three crusade and we are starting, obviously, an fourth one.

I don't see how we started the fourth one.It was muslim terrorists that flew the planes into the trade towers.And preach the downfall of Jews and Chrsitians.
So this 4th war they brought on themselves.And we are told to respect the rights of Muslims.As we do with any other religion in America.Where they are being taught to kill all Jews and Christians.
All religions have their faults.But the Islamic mindset is outdated,filled with vengence,and has no love for anybody that doesn't believe the way they do.
Daniel Pearl found out just how loving Muslims are to Jews.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 02:52 PM by ZeroDeep

Wintermorg
So whats your point, that we should go and kill everyone islamic?

Christians and non-Muslims beware! Anyone that isn't a follower of Islam is classed as causing corruption to the earth and is therefore to be killed.

Iv got an endless amount of islamic freinds, and they have never felt this way about me!

I really dont know why your on here bashing islam.
almost half of my freinds are muslims, some even hardcore islamics, not even they share these so called values you telling us about. I think you should get off this webpage and look up some porn. Its for your own good.
Deep

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 02:52 PM by ultra_phoenix

Originally posted by John bull 1

You seem to have an eye for statistics.Does the same source you've used mention how many conflicts involve Christian?

May be you can give us the stats. It would be interesting to do such comparison.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:00 PM by Salem

Originally posted by nyeff

I don't see how we started the fourth one.It was muslim terrorists that flew the planes into the trade towers.And preach the downfall of Jews and Chrsitians.

The Afganisthan invasion was the result of the terrorists acts that flew the planes into the trade center. But there is no proof that Iraq was involved in these terrorists acts, so by attacking it we started the 4th crusade. So then wich muslim countries is next ?
It's not because al-Queida are dumb ass that the whole muslim world is like that.

PS : Don't get me wrong, I was for Iraqi Freedom war because I hate dictature.

[Edited on 17-6-2003 by Salem]

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:07 PM by Gazrok

if you were to cite the Bible directly...you'll see that it kind of demands the same thing of us...that we purge the planet of non-believers. Only the softer, fuzzier newer versions of the Bible don't preach it.

Personally, I know more than a few muslims, and they have no such hatred, and enjoy their freedoms here. The "death to America" muslims are not the majority, as the press would have you believe. Don't depend on writings, or the news...make an effort to get to know a muslim, and then see if you feel the same way.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:08 PM by ZeroDeep

Wintermorg
You also have to understand something their are a large number of hardcore extremists. To date, i have never heard af any islamic's leaders eloping with children or animals, but yet christian preists do come to mind in that matter. Well not animals.
And on that subject, you ever watch the news lately thiers always some damn christian preist raping a lil boy, can you gimme some insight on that.
Im not bashing cristians, im not bashing any religion.
Every religion has shared its faults over the course of time.
Deep

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:12 PM by nyeff

I don't think the war on Iraq had anything to do with Islamic religion.It was about removing Saddam,Nothing more nothing less.And Saddam was an aethist.But if you look at the fallout in Iraq it is apparent that they don't want a lot of help from us.They want a Muslim to run the country.Not that one shouldn't,but the are so against our way of life,they will not accept anything else.
I also do not see a lot of christians or any other religion telling people to strap bombs to themselves and go kill women and children.And they do it in the name of Allah.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:18 PM by shockerlove

the holy quran does come in many translated versions, are the english quotes the true meaning conveyed by the prophet muhammad, peace be upon him?

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:29 PM by ZeroDeep

nyeff
true, thier are not many christians that will strap bombs to themselves, but you have to understand these people love thier religion and live for it. You have to step into thier shoes, some of them come from uneducated villages with very lil understanding of the outside world.
Alot of these suicide bombers were paid for giving thier lives for islam. That money went to thier familys, went for a better education, food in the bellys. If i was in their shoes and were living in some of those harsh conditions of would think twice of giving my life and feeding my family.
But thats just some of them, and like i said thier are hardcore extremist.
Thiers also the KKK, Im sure they have had their fare share of blood.
Im sure you have all heard of the Air India Bombings.
A group of extremist Sikhs bombed a Indian Jetliner. They want thier own seperate country. The nation of Punjab to be called Khalistan. That feeling for a seperate nation is valued among most sikhs, but only a few exremists would shed blood for it.
Im was raised in a sikh family myself and have not heard anyone share these extremist values.
Every religion has a few bad seeds, ands its sad that its those bad seeds that seem to steal the spotlight and bring shame on thier religions.
Deep

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:29 PM by Salem

Terrorism is the weapon of the poors.

We both know that american people that was for the iraq war wanted to liberate iraqi people from a "regim of terror". They were completly goodwilled

But you're wrong if you believe that the governement was thinking the same. They had the opportunity to do it in the first gulf war and they did nothing, they let saddam slaughter thousands of people with chemical weapons,
( BTW )
The jet used was a french mirage ( Sold by France )
The chemical gaz and the Harpoons that released them. ( Sold by US )
so don't get fooled by the govt, they lied about WMD, they lied about Terrorism, Why ? for oil.

The three first crusades was a pretext to control the Sueze canal because that the occidentals wanted to trade with India.
Today it's the control of the Oil.
It's the fourth crusade and we started it.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:42 PM by nyeff

I still don't see it as a war on Muslims.Even if the war was for oil,that is greed.Not killing people because we believe in differant things.We went out of our way to avoid civillian deaths.I think if Iraq,Syria,Iran could attack us,they would try to kill civillians.
And I don't buy everything our government tells us.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:49 PM by Salem

The fact is that the earlier crusades had nothing to do with religion, the europeen used religion because it was the only way to raise an powerenough army to defeat the sarasins. It was only a matter of politics not religion.

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:52 PM by ZeroDeep

The fact is that the earlier crusades had nothing to do with religion, the europeen used religion because it was the only way to raise an powerenough army to defeat the sarasins. It was only a matter of politics not religion.

Thats right on the Dot.
religion has during its entire life time been used as an excuse by corrupted leaders for crusades.
If you think about it, alot of these crusades were in search of, power, money, land. And even now we see the same thing.
Deep

reply posted on 17-6-2003 @ 03:57 PM by nyeff

The fact is that the earlier crusades had nothing to do with religion, the europeen used religion because it was the only way to raise an powerenough army to defeat the sarasins. It was only a matter of politics not religion.

In a nutshell that is it.Religion is a means to an end.Its great for raising money and mass control of people.The world would be a better place if the didn't take there religion so seriously.

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