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Sure let's just ignore Trump's fascist intentions cause he's not Hillary?

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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian




Oh and he's not a fan of Edward Snowden. Gee I'm not surprised:

Snowden is a traitor though. He was a patriot when he told the USA that the government was spying on them.

He became a traitor when he told the rest of the world in detail how the US was spying on them.

It's a fine line, and well yea, he crossed it.




posted on May, 28 2016 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Folks please take note. The vast majority of posts against the OP will consist of people deflecting away from Trump and his abhorrent policies, positions. You know why? Because deep down people know they can't defend him on his positions. Deflection is the cowards way out. Remember that kids.


Sorry to potentially derail your thread but, who is your pick? Do you have a solution?

Most people I speak to are pro Trump because the establishment is against him....



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

This is the internet, everyone is fully aware of the word and just because you can't seem to think how Trump qualifies doesn't mean he doesn't have all the ingredients of a fascist leader. Are you voting for Trump this fall? Sure sounds like it.

It's a little unfair to compare him to a murderous leader because he's not in charge yet but if that terrible day does arrive just you wait and see what he does. Then I'll come back here and say I told ya so as we all suffer under the hellish reign of Trump.
edit on 28-5-2016 by Swills because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: Swills

I'm not voting for trump, but fascist is the Internet version of "douche" both sound cool to call people but at the end of the day it just makes you look ignorant and infantile, especially when people have no idea what fascism is.

edit on 28-5-2016 by avgguy because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

It's good that you bring this up. Especially since you've been keeping out of it until now. People here now and new members need to read posts like this to keep some perspective IMO.

The down side of course is as you can see it's probably not going to work. No rational discussion even seems possible at this point regardless of how sterile you try and make the topic. The defensive effort has gone beyond logic and reason at this point and become some kind of cult like obsession.

There was a guy on Bill Mauher the other night that was saying Trump is using known techniques of persuasion when he speaks. He said it's similar to hypnosis in a way. This may sound unlikely until you really think about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has read many books or had been taught these methods over the years in an effort to become more successful in business. That is exactly the type of people who take those classes. It's all about being more convincing and persuasive than the other guy. So who knows. Maybe there is something to what he's saying.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:27 PM
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His fascist tendencies, like standing up to BLM for stealing ranchers land?

Or keeping borders closed to high risk refugees/immigrants until carefully vetted?

Imagine that, no we're supposed have no borders and let the lowest dominator take control!

Or Trump telling California that the water crisis has been created in an effort to save a foreign transplanted fish, and that he will disclose this and end the BS.

I'd vote Trump if I was American.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: Unity_99

Such horror is expressed at the idea of a registry of immigrants.

Yet the same people applaud a registry of guns and gun owners.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Southern Guardian

Trump doesn't make the laws, he can only approve or veto them.


What? I mean what?

I'm sorry I don't understand your logic here at all DBCowboy.

So because Trump can only approve these laws or veto them, we can't hold Trump as president for supporting these laws that invade freedoms.....because erm.... congress passes them.

I don't understand your argument here. He supports these laws right?

Does this mean we can't blame Obama for the laws congress passed over the years?

I am alittle speechless. What kind of logic is this?

You think these laws are acceptable?



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Trump is not a dictator. he cannot rule by decree.

This fascist future that you envision could only take place if congress is complicit with the evil Trump to destroy the world.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:40 PM
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I'm sorry I have to refer to this comment again because I was laughing my ass off here. Seriously people are reduced to this excuse to defend trump


Trump doesn't make the laws, he can only approve or veto them.


You hear tha folks. We can't blame Trump for any law congress passes. It's a whole new ball game now, we need to apply different... or special.... standards to Trump now.

Make America Great Again.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

He, like any other president, can either sign or veto any law.

Ridicule me all you want. I really don't care.

So, moving to Canada?



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Trump is not a dictator. he cannot rule by decree.


It doesn't matter. As the president he is well capable of opposing these sorts of invasive laws that are a threat to freedoms. He can veto these laws, he can be vocal against them, but instead he supports them.

What you're (very obviously) doing here is trying to make Trumps horrible political positions as some how irrelevant now because well.... congress has the power to stop them. You're trying to take away ANY responsibility Trump has as president so we can't hold him accountable for ANYTHING. That is outside of reality buddy.

I love it. How many times have people spent on this very forum complaining about the laws Obama has signed in? Hmm? Or Bush? And I'm not afraid to acknowledge those two need to be held accountable on many things as president.

Why should Trump get special treatment? Explain this to me I'm curious.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: xuenchen

Not a full blown fascist? Whether he's parading as a leftie or rightie he's clearly got all the ingredients of being a fascist.


Does that finally mean that we can all agree? Is that what is being said, Hillary, obama and Trump are fascists and Sanders is a communist? There are no good choices, just different flavours of evil?

BTW, I do want to see Trump as president. He at least might do something other than maintain the status quo.

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Nonsense. I'm just putting it into perspective.

The horrors that the nation would face under Hillary?

They don't exist either. She too, would have to obey the rule of law and could only sign or veto laws congress writes.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

It sounds like we have a vast disagreement over the definition of Fascism.

Hilary is going to be just as bad or worse than Trump with the added negative of literally dozens of scandals and gross violations of the law. I think you are trying to differentiate between two giant piles of elephant dung and pretending one smells better because you have an agenda.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Southern Guardian

Nonsense. I'm just putting it into perspective.


Perspective?

You just argued Trump can't really be blamed for supporting invasive laws like the Patriot Act or NSA spying because well... Congress needs to pass em' anyway.

Be honest with yourself, is this a valid excuse for Trump?

Imagine you flipped it around for Obama? I was very open about Obama's reauthorization of the Patriot Act, NDAA. So Obama can't be blamed for these because congress passed them?

At least be honest here Cowboy. I don't for one second think even you find this as a valid argument. It makes no sense man.


The horrors that the nation would face under Hillary?

They don't exist either. She too, would have to obey the rule of law and could only sign or veto laws congress writes.


So you're saying Hillary shouldn't be held accountable for the policies she supports because of Congress? Is this what you're saying?



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Trump should only be held accountable for the laws he vetos or signs that are written by congress.

Your hatred of Trump is making you irrational.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: notmyrealname


Sorry to potentially derail your thread but, who is your pick? Do you have a solution?


No that's fine ask away. I'm a Sanders supporter. I hope he upsets Hillary in Cali. He's in it until the end and I hope he sticks it out. You want to talk about a candidate the establishment is really afraid of? Sanders. He has a solid voting record, his contributions are by far those from average working individuals. The Democratic establishment is evidently trying to kick him out. Have you seen what they did to him in Nevada?

Look even if you may consider yourself conservative or Libertarian, check out Sanders policies:

www.ontheissues.org...

Check this out:

Shut down the NSA surveillance program. (Oct 2015)
Snowden showed us our civil rights are being undermined. (Oct 2015)
PATRIOT Act was 99-1, and I was the one. (Oct 2015)


www.ontheissues.org...

He's the only real candidate that still has some chance these elections. You don't have to agree with him completely, but overall he is far better that the other two.


Most people I speak to are pro Trump because the establishment is against him


You know that Trump IS the establishment? Do you remember when he endorsed Romney back in 2012? Or McCain back in 2008? He's admitted to giving money to establishment candidates knowing full well their positions.

The GOP elite aren't against him because of what he stands for. They're against him because he is leading the GOP to an historic loss come November. He's a mess. See the polls, Georgia for example is a toss up. GEORGIA. Have you seen how much of the vote as a percentage he got in his own party? less than any other candidate since 68'. IN 48 years buddy.

Let's not forget Trumps history of flipping back and forth between Dems and Republicans.

He's trying to make a fool out of people, any many are unfortunately taking the bait.

It's a shame... he made $100 million more this year... if he loses he gets to retire back to his many mansions knowing he's richer because of his run. Where are you ganna be after this? You're going to be left in the dust having to deal with the Hillary presidency.

Trump doesn't care about you buddy.
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posted on May, 29 2016 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Look DB I honestly can't take you seriously anymore. This is probably the worst excuse for Trump I have ever come across. Seriously.

What don't you understand? If congress passes a law saying blacks and whites need to be segregated again, and Trump signs this in and even says he outrights supports such legislation, how can one argue that he cannot be blamed for this law and cannot be held accountable for supporting it?

I don't get it.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian


Yep. a an avowed Socialist that is getting his campaign money from where?

SSDD right?

How many times to we think that Democan & Republicrat are different?! This is the illusion of choice. If there is resistance to Bernie, it comes from the Democrats alone; resistance to Trump is Republican and Democrat and main stream media. I don't know what he will do when elected however the thought of the bought and paid for Hillary or the recently paid for Bernie does not make me happy. Did you ever think about how Bernie plans on paying for things whilst the FED is already bankrupt and out of options?

We can't print our way out of this one....




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