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Sure let's just ignore Trump's fascist intentions cause he's not Hillary?

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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 08:55 PM
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I've really tried my very best to stay out of Politics these elections but I can't for the life of me ignore this awful pro-trump trend going on here on ATS. I really need to get this off my chest because despite all the nonsense, I still care deeply about this website and this community.

What is with all this defending or making excuses about Donald Trump where ever possible?? What the heck ATS? He is an absolute nutcase. Are you kidding me?? Is this all conservatives could come up with after 8 years?? After all this time complaining about Obama on the NDAA, the Patriot act.... NSA spying... drones... but now let's support this guy?? Trump? "BUT HE'S NOT HILLARY CLINTON BWAH!"

Let's not forget the WONDERFUL positions Trump has outright admitted he supports!

Reauthorizing the Patriot Act:

In the above-embedded clip, Hewitt asks Trump, “On metadata collection, Ted Cruz is glad the NSA got out of it. Marco Rubio wants it back. What’s Donald Trump think?”

“Well, I tend to err on the side of security, I must tell you,” Trump replied, “and I’ve been there for longer than you would think.

truthinmedia.com...

Has no issues having databases on certain americans based on religion

The next day, an MSNBC reporter asked Trump, "Should there be a database or system that tracks Muslims in this country?"

"There should be a lot of systems," Trump responded. "Beyond databases. I mean, we should have a lot of systems."

Trump then digressed to talk about a wall along the southern border, before the reporter interjected, "But that’s something your White House would like to implement."

"I would certainly implement that. Absolutely," Trump said.

www.politifact.com...

Telling Americans to spy on their fellow Americans??

Donald Trump made headlines recently calling for increased domestic security measures, namely a “database” of Muslims in the country.

time.com...

Promising to overturn same sex marriage because nothing says freedom like treating people unequally under the law
www.pinknews.co.uk...

And spare me on the states rights nonsense. There are rights in this country, constitutional rights, that should be protected from both local AND Federal governments. The same lame excuse used against interracial marriages, sexual orientation (Texas V Lawrence) and yes even Slavery.

Hey all let's just ignore the fact that Trump has made NO issue with NSA spying on the internet:


Trump said many Americans “would be willing to give up some privacy in order to have more safety.”

nakedsecurity.sophos.com...

Oh and he's not a fan of Edward Snowden. Gee I'm not surprised:

“I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?” Trump said, Politico reported.

www.washingtontimes.com...

I'm sorry, this guy put his life on the line to expose what is a disgusting invasion of privacy.. who the hell are you?? We should support this guy??

You know it was only afew years back the THOUGHT of even supporting somebody like this on ATS was totally unimaginable to me. Surely I had my differences with many members on here but there was a consensus on fundamental freedoms that were being invaded upon. We all could agree on this but now many are just throwing their true principals away... FOR DONALD TRUMP? What the hell happened? Oh yes YES, Hillary Clinton is running so let's just all throw our principals out the door and desperately support this guy?? Are you kidding me?

"But but he's going to build a wall ya know?"

Are people really this ignorant? A wall will not do much to help solve the illegal immigration issue.... and you know what it's not the idea of the wall itself that is idiotic. It's this idea there being no solid wall is the main issue.

Ask yourself this, why do illegal immigrants continue to try coming over the border? Because deep down they know there will be businesses, corporations, willing to continue hiring them and pay them. This is the main issue, the lack of law on this. Go to Trumps website, where does he mention that he intends on cracking down on big businesses who continue hiring illegals? Hmm? If he truely cared about this issue this would be right at the front of his immigration policy but interesting, minimal or NO mention:
www.donaldjtrump.com...

He needs to protect his wealthy buddies ya know?

I am disappointed at the dismal choices these elections. It's Douche vs Turd all over again. Hillary has successfully cheated out the only hope we had left, Bernie Sanders... and the GOP couldn't come up with anybody half decent this time... instead we end up with Trump... a real life walking contradiction that couldn't even get 50% of the vote in his own party. That's right, Trump is so bad he only managed to get 42% of the total vote In his party. That is the lowest percentage of vote any GOP nominee has gotten in the primaries since 1968. EVEN "the loser of a winnable election" Romney got 52% of the vote and had the nomination virtually locked by April 10th. Heck even House speaker Ryan is reluctant to touch Trump. He's that toxic and bad. "But ya know, we should vote for him cause he's not Hillary ya'know?".

Well done. What a great argument for the GOP alternative to Hillary. Really well done.




posted on May, 28 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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Obama resigned the Patriot act in 2011.... And even added the NDAA on to it. He also supports many of the points you listed. So is he a "fascist" as well?



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: avgguy


originally posted by: avgguy
Obama resigned the Patriot act in 2011.... And even added the NDAA on to it. He also supports many of the points you listed. So is he a "fascist" as well?


And here we are! First Fallacy of in this thread folks! Two wrongs make a right!

"Oh Obama did it, so let's just focus on him and ignore how much of a terrible candidate Trump really is". This is one of the great ways people have been deflecting ANY valid criticism of Trump. Obama did it! Bush did it!

Well done.

What's the next deflection?



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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Folks please take note. The vast majority of posts against the OP will consist of people deflecting away from Trump and his abhorrent policies, positions. You know why? Because deep down people know they can't defend him on his positions. Deflection is the cowards way out. Remember that kids.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: avgguy


originally posted by: avgguy
Obama resigned the Patriot act in 2011.... And even added the NDAA on to it. He also supports many of the points you listed. So is he a "fascist" as well?


And here we are! First Fallacy of in this thread folks! Two wrongs make a right!

"Oh Obama did it, so let's just focus on him and ignore how much of a terrible candidate Trump really is". This is one of the great ways people have been deflecting ANY valid criticism of Trump. Obama did it! Bush did it!

Well done.

What's the next deflection?

Fortunately for Trump the only ermmm person that the Dems can offer is a hardened lifetime criminal



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:08 PM
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Trump may have some "Socialism" in him, but he's not a full blown Left Wing Fascist.




It was founded as a merger of two other movements: the Fasci d'Azione Internazionalista and a previous group he started called the Fasci Autonomi d'Azione Rivoluzionaria.[1] In 1915, members of the Fasci began to officially refer to themselves as "Fascists".[2] It denounced Marxism, but asserted that it supported socialism


Fasci Italiani di Combattimento

The bundle of sticks represents collectivism.




posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Folks please take note. The vast majority of posts against the OP will consist of people deflecting away from Trump and his abhorrent policies, positions. You know why? Because deep down people know they can't defend him on his positions. Deflection is the cowards way out. Remember that kids.

Yeah , the Libs tend to use deflection and derision extensively . The only things they have. Its their trademark tactics.
Trump 's ideas seem good to me. Of course , libs in their mindset , love to take EVERYTHING out of context. Then follow it as a Religious Dogma.
Sounds like Trump not only wants to make America great again ,but keep it safe as well . Of course , folks that do not live in this country will not admit it . They just go on posting tripe and rhetoric.


edit on 5/28/16 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

I'm just asking do you think that Obama is a fascist because he supports all of the bullet points that supposedly makes trump a "fascist"



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

There are no good choices in this election.

Hopefully Gary Johnson can make the 5% so the 2020 election might not be such a sham.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian



Trump said many Americans “would be willing to give up some privacy in order to have more safety.”


1984



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

The problem is, everyone knows this, including Trumpets and they don't care because Trump makes them feel sooo good that he's allowed to say and do anything he wants with their full support.

ATS has become a bastion of ignorance all thanks to Trump supporters.

Watch this thread get less than 10 flags while any pro Trump thread goes right to the top.
edit on 28-5-2016 by Swills because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Southern Guardian

I'm just asking do you think that Obama is a fascist because he supports all of the bullet points that supposedly makes trump a "fascist"


No you weren't just asking me a question. In response to my OP this was what you first wrote:

"Obama resigned the Patriot act in 2011.... And even added the NDAA on to it.

This was in response to the points I made against Trump. You didn't defend Trump, you decided to bring Obama into this thread because lord knows it's Obama's fault for Trump holding these positions right?

I've NEVER defended Obama's extension of the Patriot Act and NDAA. If I did that'd make me a hypocrite. Now, do you think these positions of Trumps should be overlooked? Or are they 'minor' issues just because Obama did them??



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Not a full blown fascist? Whether he's parading as a leftie or rightie he's clearly got all the ingredients of being a fascist.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Oh I'm already aware of this brother. It's a complete joke. But you know what? I care more about being honest and upfront than about scoring stars and flags. It's too bad true principals, honesty, have been thrown out the window these elections. People are starting to show their true colors. People need to keep on speaking out. Trump is a disaster waiting to happen. Him and Hillary. Christ.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: Swills

I'm not sure that you know what a fascist is or what fascism is. Mussolini and trump are on completely opposite sides of the spectrum



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

Absoultely. Obama, Bush, they were/are just puppets for the establishment that keeps politicians pockets and campaigns fully funded. This is their doing and Trump is no better than the rest of the ilk. He LOVES spying on Americans, the world. He's clearly a warmonger and wants to murder accused terrorists families.

Trump will be 10x worse than Bush ever was and that's saying something!



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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Not to deflate the angst with Trump being the GOP choice vs Clinton, but the Patriot Act is no more...

IIRC it's now called, get this...

USA Freedom ACT...

And Yes, much like it's precursor, it has nothing to do about the citizens' civil liberties...

Gotta love those NAMES they (Congress) come up with to whittle away the Constitution...



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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Spite is now playing a yuge role in Trump's upward momentum. It seems to me that many are supporting Trump just to piss off his opponents.

They care nothing of fascism, or any "ism" for that matter. They just know Trump makes "certain people" go out of their f# minds.

And that's enough for them.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Trump doesn't make the laws, he can only approve or veto them.

Congress writes the laws.

I thought everyone knew that.

Now, is congress fascist?

interesting question.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:43 PM
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"Pro Trump trend"?
I see many more Anti-Trump threads than Pro-Trump threads...THIS being the most recent...as well as one of the least imaginative.




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