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Hawaii Could Be First to Put Gun Owners in Federal Database

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posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:30 PM
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(Tried to find this but couldn't find it posted anywhere in the forums)




By marina starleaf riker, associated press

HONOLULU — May 24, 2016, 6:42 AM ET

Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.

Most people entered in the "Rap Back" database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in "positions of trust," such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.

"I don't like the idea of us being entered into a database. It basically tells us that they know where the guns are, they can go grab them" said Jerry Ilo, a firearm and hunting instructor for the state. "We get the feeling that Big Brother is watching us."

Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws. Allison Anderman, a staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the bill was "groundbreaking," and that she hadn't heard of other states introducing similar measures.

Sen. Will Espero, who introduced the bill, and the Honolulu Police Department said Hawaii could serve as a model for other states if it becomes the first to enact the law.

Yet others say gun owners shouldn't have to be entered in a database to practice a constitutional right.

"You're curtailing that right by requiring that a name be entered into a database without doing anything wrong," said Kenneth Lawson, faculty at the University of Hawaii's William S. Richardson School of Law.
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abcnews.go.com...

Wow...just wow... And they are doing this of course, so that "Hawaii could serve as a model for other states if it enacts the law"...

Criminals do not follow the law, they break the law, which is why they are called "criminals". A gun registration list is a list targeting law abiding citizens, and it is meant to further curtail the right of Americans to keep and bear arms without this right being infringed upon.

Gun registration = gun confiscation.




posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Isn't everyone already in a database?
No need for more than one database.
edit on b000000312016-05-27T17:34:32-05:0005America/ChicagoFri, 27 May 2016 17:34:32 -0500500000016 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:35 PM
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Hawaii Could Be First to Put Gun Owners in Federal Database

Remember when the people that were whining about Trump and Muslims in a database ?'

Are the very ones that are trying to put gun owners in a database.

American politics people.

Absolutely PRICELESS!



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

Isn't everyone already in a database?
No need for more than one database.


No, it is illegal for any government agency or any group to have a gun owner database. What they check is whether a person has a criminal past when they are trying to buy a gun, but Federal law does not allow for the registration, or keeping a list of gun owners. It's completely different.
edit on 27-5-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Isn't everyone already in a database?
No need for more than one database.


Since 1998 when the background check was implemented.

They know who you are.

What you bought, and the serial number off it.

And every new gun made has rounds fired from it, and a national ballistics's database exists.

For each and every weapon sold for decades now.

Zeig Heil.

The Brown shirts are on the march.

Rights will be denied.

People will be harassed.

No worries.

They will not be held accountable.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They have to know who has them when they decide to take them away.


"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."
-Thomas Jefferson



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Maybe we should put Trans people in a national bathroom database.

Seriously, this is some NAZI crap here.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: butcherguy

Isn't everyone already in a database?
No need for more than one database.


No, it is illegal for any government agency or any group to have a gun owner database. What they check is whether a person has a criminal past when they are trying to buy a gun, but Federal law does not allow for the registration, or keeping a list of gun owners. It's completely different.

Why do they write the serial # of the weapon on the firm if all they are doing is a background check on me?



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: neo96

The 1986 Firearm Owner Protection Act" states.


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No such rule or regulation prescribed (by the Attorney General) after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
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www.law.cornell.edu...


edit on 27-5-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So...
The Federal Government has a form that has to be filled out for a FFL to sell a firearm.
But the feds are not allowed to have it or use it.

You see the folly there, right?
edit on b000000312016-05-27T17:57:16-05:0005America/ChicagoFri, 27 May 2016 17:57:16 -0500500000016 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:56 PM
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If I am reading this correctly, this only applies to certain people that apply for jobs in which they work for government operations, facilities, or other occupations in which the applicant/employee comes in contact with children, elderly and other "vulnerable" individuals.

It does not appear to apply to the average, private gun owner. This only allows them to check those certain individuals in those positions for criminal activity, including acts outside of the state itself.

trackbill.com...
edit on 27-5-2016 by introvert because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We both know they are not suppose to do it.

And we both know they DO lots of thinks they are not suppose to.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
If I am reading this correctly, this only applies to certain people that apply for jobs in which they work for government operations, facilities, or other occupations in which the applicant/employee comes in contact with children, elderly and other "vulnerable" individuals.

It does not appear to apply to the average, private gun owner. This only allows them to check those certain individuals in those positions for criminal activity, including acts outside of the state itself.

trackbill.com...

Sounds like any job working with the public except for people that work in bars or sex shops. No wairlt... elderly people are allowed in bars and sex shops!
edit on b000000312016-05-27T18:01:22-05:0006America/ChicagoFri, 27 May 2016 18:01:22 -0500600000016 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Like Neo said, they scream about a Muslim immigrant database, but jump at the chance to establish a gun owner database.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

Why do they write the serial # of the weapon on the firm if all they are doing is a background check on me?


Because the ATF needs to find whether that gun has been used for any crime, even new guns. Your name, and social security is provided for the background check, but it is illegal for any government agency to keep this information in a database, or have any form of gun registration.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:02 PM
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Laws targeting gun owners are just as unjust as bathroom laws targeting transsexuals.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: introvert
If I am reading this correctly, this only applies to certain people that apply for jobs in which they work for government operations, facilities, or other occupations in which the applicant/employee comes in contact with children, elderly and other "vulnerable" individuals.

It does not appear to apply to the average, private gun owner. This only allows them to check those certain individuals in those positions for criminal activity, including acts outside of the state itself.

trackbill.com...

Sounds like any job working with the public except for people that work in bars or sex shops. No wairlt... elderly people are allowed in bars and sex shops!


The document is not very long. Read it and then comment. Let's talk about this logically and reasonably.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: butcherguy

Why do they write the serial # of the weapon on the firm if all they are doing is a background check on me?


Because the ATF needs to find whether that gun has been used for any crime, even new guns. Your name, and social security is provided for the background check, but it is illegal for any government agency to keep this information in a database, or have any form of gun registration.


So, there is no database, but if the gun is used in a crime, the feds can pull up the serial number and see who purchased it.
Sounds a lot like a database.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Wait til they start RFID tagging them.

And start doing gps mapping to see where they all are.

They don't know when to quit, and know when they are in the wrong.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I was using your description:



people that apply for jobs in which they work for government operations, facilities, or other occupations in which the applicant/employee comes in contact with children, elderly and other "vulnerable" individuals.

See that?
Or other occupations that come in contact with children or the elderly.
Wouldn't that cover a person working at a grocery store?
Or are children and elderly banned from grocery stores?




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