We made a leap! White holes and dark matter particle bending

So, White Hole = anti-gravity?

I'm convinced.

originally posted by: FlyingFox
So, White Hole = anti-gravity?

I'm convinced.

I'm not completely sure but it could be. I was always under the impression that dark matter was a gravitional force and that dark energy was the anti-gravitional force. White holes sound like they create matter and energy.

Then again there are different theories with this kind of stuff so you could be right too. We're still trying to understand it.

Yes, the Dark Matter model does fit in regards to a repulsive force...."anti-gravity".

Who is starring and flagging this thread... why?
Just let it go away far into archived obscurity.

a reply to: supermilkman

Ohh, rainbow unicorns! Pixie dust and magic!

a reply to: supermilkman

So can you give us an idea of how you are demonsstrating these pheomena? Is it done with devices or equipment you can reference? Any technical details you can share without compromising? ?

Well I genuinely think what he says to be true. Adleast he is trying to do something about it/promote awareness.

Very difficult subject to promote in shopping malls though, possibly preaching to the wrong choir.

And that book using the word facts when theorising is pretty poor. Should say in theory instead.

But good luck, regardless of how futile I feel your efforts are.

a reply to: supermilkman

technical details or it didn't happen.

either you can provide us an exact explanation of how you're doing your demonstrations, or it's all BS.

after all, you want it to get public, right? because if you would be after cash, you would just call google or any other big corporation and you would get paid billions already, without wasting your time on ATS.

without wasting our time.

originally posted by: supermilkman

The statement "white holes" intrigued me . I do follow the theory a "white hole" would be the direct opposite of s "black hole". And there may be a connection between the 2 via a wormhole . Can you elaborate if there is some "evidence" pointing to this being a true statement ?

Yes, a white hole is exactly as you described, basically an inverse to a black hole.

Here's a few excerpts from the book, "The Secrets of Infinity."

The existence of black holes begs a question: where does all the stuff that it devours go? This question is the basis of the theory about the existence of white holes. Black holes are based on the theory of Einstein's relativity, a symmetrical theory that therefore implies that there should be an 'exit,' or something like the 'other side' of the famous wormhole.

Unlike black holes, for which there is a well studied physical process called gravitional collapse (which gives rise to black holes when stars more massive than the sun run out of nuclear 'fuel'), there is no clear analogous process that would explain the generation of white holes.

If white holes exist, they would represent a finite area of space-time with a density which would give them the ability to warp space but, unlike the black hole, they would expel matter and energy instead of absorbing it. In fact, no object can remain within the region for an infinite time, that is why a white hole is defined as the time reverse of a black hole.

Another widespread theory is that white holes would be very unstable, would last a very short time and, actually, after their generation, they could collapse and become black holes, which would limit us when studying them.

So the creation of white holes and black holes is singularity approaching an event horizon by exterior forces. The book is just a simple description and mostly theory. The possibilities it entails is multi-faceted and more technical

Infalling matter approaching the singularity of a black hole becomes time-dilated and stops at the event horizon from the reference frame of an external observer.

From the POV of the infalling matter, it continues to accelerate but it's view outward of the black hole would be the rest of the entire history of the universe.

I'm not sure what happens at the singularity (no-one is at present) but from an external (to the black hole) perspective, the infalling matter stops, for all time, before it gets to the singularity.

If white holes exist, then it is towards the end (in time) of the universe, which has only been around for 13.4 billion years and so it is likely that none of the matter that has fallen in since the big bang will have reached the singularity of any black hole yet.

Also, what is the mass, polarization and spin of these dark matter particles. Are they purely non-Baryonic? What is their distribution and does it actually relate the the FSL of galaxies or is that spurious?

Oh, and how does one "bend" a particle?

What is "light matter"?

originally posted by: jedi_hamster
a reply to: supermilkman

technical details or it didn't happen.

either you can provide us an exact explanation of how you're doing your demonstrations, or it's all BS.

after all, you want it to get public, right? because if you would be after cash, you would just call google or any other big corporation and you would get paid billions already, without wasting your time on ATS.

without wasting our time.

That and then you'd have to die under very suspicious circumstances first, of course...



I'm sorry to break it for you supermilkman,

but your time was up the moment you decided to tell our benevolent crooks, that you'll destroy their markets with fancy white holes. Not that I don't like the concept, but all I see is a lost window of opportunity to post anything new at all. Sounds a bit kinky though.

Try light holes maybe? White holes... really? C'Mon! Others might say you waste their time, I say you just made my day. Now I'll have the epic opportunity to think about porn when somebody talks about black holes, awesome!

I guess you could say the end is near.

Experience speaks louder than words. Seeing is believing.

originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
Well I genuinely think what he says to be true. Adleast he is trying to do something about it/promote awareness.

Very difficult subject to promote in shopping malls though, possibly preaching to the wrong choir.

And that book using the word facts when theorising is pretty poor. Should say in theory instead.

But good luck, regardless of how futile I feel your efforts are.

That's exactly what I said. It's all theory. And its going to be displayed anywhere possible. It's a psionic application.

"Y" is a crooked letter, you can't straighten it.

originally posted by: sunkuong
a reply to: supermilkman

So can you give us an idea of how you are demonsstrating these pheomena? Is it done with devices or equipment you can reference? Any technical details you can share without compromising? ?

As far fetched as it sounds, its psionics.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

originally posted by: jedi_hamster
a reply to: supermilkman

technical details or it didn't happen.

either you can provide us an exact explanation of how you're doing your demonstrations, or it's all BS.

after all, you want it to get public, right? because if you would be after cash, you would just call google or any other big corporation and you would get paid billions already, without wasting your time on ATS.

without wasting our time.

That and then you'd have to die under very suspicious circumstances first, of course...

 

I'm sorry to break it for you supermilkman,

but your time was up the moment you decided to tell our benevolent crooks, that you'll destroy their markets with fancy white holes. Not that I don't like the concept, but all I see is a lost window of opportunity to post anything new at all. Sounds a bit kinky though.

Try light holes maybe? White holes... really? C'Mon! Others might say you waste their time, I say you just made my day. Now I'll have the epic opportunity to think about porn when somebody talks about black holes, awesome!

Either these ideas become realized or nothing happens. If I die over this then so be it.

Also have you ever thought that money is the problem in the first place?

That if we harnessed free energy money wouldn't be necessary? Although I've fancied the idea of a big business opportunity, I know the reality is it probably won't happen as oil lobbyists are too greedy to allow alternative sustainable energy systems.

Disclosure or mass unrest. Those are the only outcomes I see that can come out of this.

a reply to: supermilkman

I take away two main themes from your opening post:

1) It is possible to use many words, in order to say very little.

2) If you have been running experiments which cause the formulation of black holes, or anything remotely like them, then you must have been drawing down the electrical output of a small nation to do it. Handling that much raw power, and being able to direct it in even the least focused of ways requires expensive equipment, even at entry level. Therefore, either you have not experiemented at all yet, and are blowing smoke, or you have performed experiments using apparatus without the necessary stability and safety measures built into them, to render the experiment safe to perform.

In all, I am concerned, confused, and deeply sceptical of all of this.

If white holes exist, then it is towards the end (in time) of the universe, which has only been around for 13.4 billion years and so it is likely that none of the matter that has fallen in since the big bang will have reached the singularity of any black hole yet.

Yes, according to Hindu cosmology we're in the last yuga/age period to recycle back to the beginning of the universe. Maybe we're heading into another big bang event.

Also, what is the mass, polarization and spin of these dark matter particles. Are they purely non-Baryonic? What is their distribution and does it actually relate the the FSL of galaxies or is that spurious?

There are different theories to what dark matter is made of. Some think its brown dwarfs. Others believe dark matter is made up of supermassive black holes that could be at the center of many galaxies.

In both cases they're made of baryonic dark matter which is composed of protons and neutrons, just like ordinary matter. Another theory is that dark matter is made of a matter yet to be discovered.

Oh, and how does one "bend" a particle?

What is "light matter"?

Besides mechanical applications, the mind itself can manipulate physical reality.

Bending, fusing, separating particles create different chemical responses.

There are many types of particles, quarks, quanta, and so forth. I wish I could post a picture of a graph that shows how the particles would be charged.

There would be a spin-up electron and a spin-down positron.

I use the term "light matter" simply because manipulating particles, in this case, emits light.

edit: Once again with dark matter, theoretical physics in general, we're dealing with a myriad of different types of virtual particles, exchanging of photons, electromagnetism, and so forth. Just because one school of thought isn't consistent with others doesn't negate them. We're still learning and trying to understand such things.

if it's all psionic and you're just looking into theoretical explanation of what you're doing- which you're not sure how you're doing - you can at least film it using a smartphone or whatever camera, instead of telling people to look out for you in some area, and then you can post the video here. no face required, just the bells and whistles. you can do it, right?

right?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: supermilkman

I take away two main themes from your opening post:

1) It is possible to use many words, in order to say very little.

2) If you have been running experiments which cause the formulation of black holes, or anything remotely like them, then you must have been drawing down the electrical output of a small nation to do it. Handling that much raw power, and being able to direct it in even the least focused of ways requires expensive equipment, even at entry level. Therefore, either you have not experiemented at all yet, and are blowing smoke, or you have performed experiments using apparatus without the necessary stability and safety measures built into them, to render the experiment safe to perform.

In all, I am concerned, confused, and deeply sceptical of all of this.

I understand the skepticism but the application is purely psionic/qigong.

I'm hoping the public demonstrations would allow me the appropriate network to turn them into physical devices.

As for evidence, seeing is believing. Many of the locals in a small city called Pueblo, CO have witnessed it already.

I'm going to be doing it again out here in Kansas City. I will be heading out into public, sporadically, to demonstrate it.

Around June 1-4 I will be at the 24 Hour Fitness Gym at the Ward Parkway Mall to do more demonstrations. As with Pueblo, some have seen it out here already in Kansas City.

Look for a light skinned, blue eyed 24 male out in public.