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Foxconn Just Replaced 60,000 Workers With Robots

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posted on May, 25 2016 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I don't follow your logic. There will always be things for people to do you say? Really? You honestly believe there will always be enough work for the majority of humans to do that our rapidly evolving machinery will not be able to do better and cheaper? I mean, really you can't supposition AI advancements, resulting in being able to cover 99% of all jobs up to and including repairs and building more machines themselves?

Honestly? Never? We'll always have enough work for everybody?

Or is your logic that, once we stop having work for everybody, we should just die, put the robots on autopilot, roll over and die.




posted on May, 25 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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The warnings have been out for a long time. You cannot stop technology, as it has it's basis in automation.
The world is going to change, and it will be tough for many, but it has been going on for a long time already.

One has to realize how you can be affected pro/con by emerging technology and do what you have to do to stay economically viable. There is no other solution.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: eluryh22

Not just your opinion. Mine as well.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 12:27 AM
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Can't wait for my AI overlords, can't do any worse than humans.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 12:31 AM
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I've been endlessly surprised that the "-conn brothers" haven't automated these processes long ago.

Very few electronics manufacturers use hand labor for part placement and through hole soldering anymore. Haven't for years. It's only that the labor was cheaper than the machinery that kept this from happening in China. No more, apparently.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 12:32 AM
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If you can be replaced by a robot you deserve to lose your job. Robots SHOULD be doing these types of jobs.


Ok, then what? Should we round up all the "underemployed" and unemployed blue collar workers and dump them in the ocean? FTR, it's not just manufacturing and it's not just robots. I make a living writing software that eliminates jobs. Granted, I'm doing it on a relatively small scale but over the last several years, my software has reduced labor requirements for my employer across the board to the tune of hundreds of man hours a week. I don't just automate tasks, I improve processes that make even the tasks humans do more efficient so that we can employ less people to do those as well.

I'm paid well but my salary is still only a fraction of the cost of the labor that I've displaced.

What do I actually do? When you get right down to it, I help concentrate the wealth at the top. There are thousands and thousands of people just like me making everything more efficient, more profitable and less reliant on human labor. We're not slowing down.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

People like you will create skynet.
Also. Plz don't create skynet.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 12:37 AM
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What a FUBAR situation. The US loses mega jobs due to US companies selling off manufacturing to the Chinese. Then the Chinese lose mega jobs due to robotics.
Damn



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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The new job to get will be robot repairman.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: eluryh22

originally posted by: MiddleInitial
a reply to: Metallicus

I enjoy reading your comments in the threads and very much agree with you a lot of the time, but I must say I couldn't disagree with you more on this point.


I'll openly admit that Metallicus' post was difficult to digest... but is he wrong?

I think about my own position. My job/career is a mix of technical knowledge, the ability to bring different (often opposing) parties to the table to come to an agreement, negotiating costs and schedules all while dealing with local communities. I KNOW that AI is coming for my job at some point. Based on my employer, the type of work I do and some other factors, I know that it is not too likely that the robots will come prior to me retiring in about twenty-five years.

Strong AI will be a reality within 30 years (give or take). there wont be a single job on earth, from low labor to highly creative or skilled that a machine wont be able to do better, for free, and 24/7.

Its time to discuss contingencies for humanity once we cross the Rubicon into irrelevance.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: MEDIKATED
The new job to get will be robot repairman.

Pretty sure robots would do that job better than humans.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 03:09 AM
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I think inevitably, humanity will be a race of artists, explorers, and inventors, anything with creativity and randomness involved that robotics and AI would struggle with regardless of how advanced it becomes, so entertainment fields mostly.

Gonna need to seriously expanding into space. you only need soo many bands and artists per square mile before things get crowded
I see us eventually just being a creative life force, all labor automated.

We are gonna need to re-examine socialism. if most are not working, then there is gonna need some basics established for all people, to include a home (robot built), healthcare (robot doctor monitored), food (robotic farming), ...you get the point.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 03:35 AM
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My argument starts with three major assumptions: A) that technology is getting better and it's getting better at an exponential pace, and B) the human population continues to grow, and C) we're talking about the US as much as we're talking about China.

As we continue to see these stories, it will be the low-income jobs (which are most abundant, just like us "feeders") getting cut. So, you will have more and more people competing for fewer and fewer jobs.

Now, I'm all for educating oneself. I'm pro-discipline and strong work ethic, but your assumption seems to be that one's employment should greatly or accurately reflect a person's identity, and that runs contrary to my experience in life so far. Basically, that notion is as much as a fairytale to me.

I've never had a "good" or "important" job. I've barely gotten paid more than minimum wage at any of the jobs I've ever worked and I am in my mid-30s. I have turned down every promotion I've ever been up for. Why? I enjoy writing songs and playing music, but I don't pursue it "professionally" anymore because I've learned that, for me, it is very unwise to mix passion with money. However, it's what I'd prefer to spend my time and life force, if you will, pursuing.

The types of jobs that I work in will certainly be eliminated by technological innovation sooner than later, and I personally would resent anybody basically telling me "peasant, don't you think you could make yourself useful?" There are people who have no interest in climbing those ladders.

But I agree with you about one thing, and that is that there is no logical reason, from a business perspective, to keep a human where a machine is cheaper and more effective.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 03:49 AM
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I think many in this thread are failing to take a broad enough perspective to see the big picture.
We don't need to be looking for ways to work out a basic income or halt technological progress.

We need to be working on how to implement a post occupational labor world, maybe a post currency world.

How we get there? I don't know, but I think we'll end up making it a much more painful process then it needs to be.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 03:51 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
If you can be replaced by a robot you deserve to lose your job.

Robots SHOULD be doing these types of jobs.


I wonder if you'll still be saying that when robot surgeons arrive.

Truth is ANY job can be done by a robot.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 04:12 AM
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Truth is ANY job can be done by a robot.

Not currently and never "any".

And although robots can do very precise and good jobs, they can never be as reliable as a healthy human surgeon with practice. Actuators can always fail, and electronics can skip a 1/0 so in terms of reliability at the moment I'll bet on the living flesh surgeon (if he's healthy).

Yes they also make errors but there is a smaller probability of ripping out your guts because the controller had a hang up and miscalculated the actuators angle. Those current medical surgeon robots are not autonomic and controlled by a human, too. That adds up the accident factor with that precise but error prone interface in between.

Iḿ saying this as someone coming from the field of automation so don't think I´m all against robots.
edit on 26-5-2016 by verschickter because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 04:24 AM
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Sometimes you can't win

About 200 years ago machines began replacing workers in industries like cloth and people stressed then. Given a few years time and a huge drop in production cost and retail price and people forgot about it.

It's horrid losing your income and what not, I remember the state of my town when mining was shut down. Truly devastated the local economy and population.

In all honesty machines should have replaced man in production a long time ago with jobs being specialized. Humans need not work 40 hour weeks either anymore but that's another thread...



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: eluryh22

It looks like fast food chains are looking to move to more machines over having to pay people more. Can't say I'm surprised at this, I'm a little surprised it's taken this long. But with the $15 minimum being pushed around it looks like automation is being rushed along now.



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: Vdogg

Yup, that's how investments work! You invest, you get rewarded with dividends. Have you ever taken an economics course?



posted on May, 26 2016 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

You're correct and this trend will cause the US economy to go slowly down the crapper in the same manner as the Japanese economy did.

Its only a matter of time.



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