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Transgender woman wins landmark discrimination case forcing ferry firm to remove the words 'ladies

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posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Annee

Lol.

How objective of you!

I...just...lol!


Objective?

Having a transgender person educate me on what is real, what is current, what is incorrect?


Well...I'm not here defending my friends. I don't exactly expect you to be honest or reasonable here, you come with bias and an agenda.

I do enjoy posting here on ATS, yes...don't you? Or are you on a crusade?

Being educated by a friend isn't exactly realistic if we're honest about it. I mean, if I have a friend who I believe is mentally imbalanced or unstable or deluded in some way I wouldn't exactly want them to educate me on the subject, no it isn't objective in any way, shape or form.

Are you questioning my rights to post here? I love how left-wing and liberal stupidity is now used to enforce control.

Aren't you the important one!

Anyways, I reckon I should retract my previous statement and acknowledge that I was wrong...I do think you're nasty. I tried to bow out on amicable terms because this is pointless and you were too petty and ignorant to realise that.

We've learned much about you today.

Much obliged.




posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:17 PM
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My wife has a client whose daughter is transgender, 16 yr old girl who identifies as a boy. Her family now addresses her as a he.

With all the recent talk coming up in the news, conversation about which bathroom she prefers using came up. She said she prefers using the girls bathroom as not to make others uncomfortable and that it wouldn't be right to make all the boys in her school cater to and deal with her own personal issue. She's not uncomfortable in the ladies room as that's what she's used for 16 years.

As she said, I just go in the bathroom and do my business so what difference does it make if I continue using the girls bathroom, it's easier for everyone that way. And she would never consider showering in the boys locker room as it imposes on all the boys in there. Would cause a storm for no reason.

What a mature girl who understands the bigger picture, doesn't sit there crying victim and misusing terms like "equal rights".



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: samerulesapply

Same crap, different day. Same crap over and over and over.

The "Swedish Study"

Whenever "someone playing the moral high ground" brings up Dr. Dehjne’s study, they try to use it to prove that transgender people commit suicide at a really high rate. Or that they’re just as criminal as men. Or that health care for transgender people is ineffective and should be discontinued. In fact, all of these are either gross representations of the actual findings of the study. Let’s take them one by one.

So what does the study say about transgender people and suicide? It’s higher, but only statistically so for those who transitioned before 1989. Afterwards, there’s no statistically significant difference between transgender people and the general population.

What does it say about criminal convictions? It says the same thing, no statistically significant different for those who transitioned after 1989. What does it say about the efficacy of health care for transgender people? It says the study shouldn’t be used to make any judgments about the efficacy of transgender health care, because there is no control group, and that the consensus is health care is beneficial.

So what does the study ACTUALLY recommend? Transgender people need better follow up care after surgery.


Try reading what the lead researcher had to say about this study: Interview with Dr. Dehjnes

Dr. Paul McHugh

Let’s establish who and what Dr. McHugh is. Dr. Paul McHugh is an ultra-Conservative Catholic who blames gays for the church’s sexual abuse scandal, believes sexual orientation is a choice and would rather let an 11-year-old girl raped by a relative die rather than have an abortion. He was part of the campaign that led to the murder of abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in 2009.

When he was put in charge of the gender clinic Johns Hopkins in the 1975, by his own admission he intended from beginning to close it. The “study” he did was designed from the start to facilitate his goal. The study itself was pure nonsense, full of non-reproducible results, punishing patients for having jobs that were “too masculine,” or having been married to a woman at some point in their lives. McHugh has made it clear he finds cultural acceptance of transgender people unacceptable.

As a result, no reputable researcher will cite his “study,” and was not considered credible by any professional medical or mental health organization when developing guidelines for the treatment of transgender individuals. Link


Debunking Dr. Paul McHugh


McHugh likes to stand up and brag about how he had the Gender Clinic program at Johns Hopkins shut down in the late 1970s because he didn't think that transsexuals benefited from surgery (or transition, probably) at all.

McHugh's position flies in the face of research spanning close to twenty years before his decision to close the clinic at Johns Hopkins. It relies upon a single paper, which is deeply flawed:

More on Paul McHugh and the "Swedish Study"

 

Professional organizations supporting health care for transgender people?

  • American Medical Association
  • American Psychiatric Association
  • American Psychological Association
  • American Academy of Family Physicians
  • American Academy of Physician Assistants
  • American College of Nurse Midwives
  • National Association of Social Workers
  • World Professional Association for Transgender Health
  • National Commission on Correctional Health Care
  • American Public Health Association
  • American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists

I'll just throw this in too for the heck of it.

BU researchers find biological basis for transgender identity

Is There Something Unique about the Transgender Brain?

Transgender: Evidence on the biological nature of gender identity

Just sayin'.


Taking the entire breadth of the findings uncovered by research, it appears that there is more than sufficient evidence that transgender persons either have a serious hormonal-based birth defect, have been exposed to exogenous chemicals which have impacted their gender development in the womb, have a genetic karyotype which differs from the general population, or via some other process have a brain structure which is different than would be indicated by their chromosomes. While no single study presents proof beyond any shadow of a doubt or with metaphysical certainty, taken together they do present a preponderance of evidence such that one can say with confidence that transgender individuals have a congenital gene-based difference from cissexual individuals. Link to Research


Gender dysphoria is not BIID or BDD. It is not wanting to be a tiger or a cat. It is not wanting to have limbs amputated or eyes gouged out. I swear to dog, this place has gotten stupider than it was a year ago with all this.

As to the topic and OP of this particular thread and the signage thing, I think it is absolutely and completely asinine.



edit on 5/27/2016 by Freija because: fixed link



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: samerulesapply

Anyways, I reckon I should retract my previous statement and acknowledge that I was wrong...I do think you're nasty. I tried to bow out on amicable terms because this is pointless and you were too petty and ignorant to realise that.

We've learned much about you today.

Much obliged.


Learned, learning.

I would say requires accurate, informed, factual information from a credible source.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: Freija

Who cares what his religious beliefs are, that's irrelevant. He's qualified in his field.

I don't think his assessment of this condition is based on his religious beliefs. I'm not religious but I share those beliefs.

You're allowed separate these things and be objective.

I'm guessing you don't come with bias or an agenda...

Yeah right! Will there be dirty bins in the mens bathrooms or not?



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: Freija
a reply to: samerulesapply

Gender dysphoria is not BIID or BDD. It is not wanting to be a tiger or a cat. It is not wanting to have limbs amputated or eyes gouged out. I swear to dog, this place has gotten stupider than it was a year ago with all this.

As to the topic and OP of this particular thread and the signage thing, I think it is absolutely and completely asinine.



I will agree with you on this comment, Annee really has made some asinine comments in this thread.

She was educated by a friend...



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Is this the friends you've been talking about, the one who educated you?

I'll never agree with any of this no matter how many of you come together. If I see a sanny-bin in the chaps lav I'll be removing it.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: samerulesapply

So, one doctor, one study.

VS

Hundreds of thousands of doctors, hundreds of studies.

What was that you said about confirmation bias again?



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: MysticPearl
My wife has a client whose daughter is transgender, 16 yr old girl who identifies as a boy. Her family now addresses her as a he.

With all the recent talk coming up in the news, conversation about which bathroom she prefers using came up. She said she prefers using the girls bathroom as not to make others uncomfortable and that it wouldn't be right to make all the boys in her school cater to and deal with her own personal issue. She's not uncomfortable in the ladies room as that's what she's used for 16 years.

As she said, I just go in the bathroom and do my business so what difference does it make if I continue using the girls bathroom, it's easier for everyone that way. And she would never consider showering in the boys locker room as it imposes on all the boys in there. Would cause a storm for no reason.

What a mature girl who understands the bigger picture, doesn't sit there crying victim and misusing terms like "equal rights".


That's one Trans* boy. How about the other million or so Trans* folks?

Anecdotal evidence ... the next best thing to blind belief.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: MysticPearl

As she said, I just go in the bathroom and do my business so what difference does it make if I continue using the girls bathroom, it's easier for everyone that way. And she would never consider showering in the boys locker room as it imposes on all the boys in there. Would cause a storm for no reason.

What a mature girl who understands the bigger picture, doesn't sit there crying victim and misusing terms like "equal rights".


She's 16. Mature? Maybe for her particular situation - - in an environment she's comfortable.

Will "he" still feel that way when "he" gets out into the adult world? I some how doubt it.

BUT, I am happy she/he is having a positive transition. I wish all teen trans could.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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I hate to break this to some of you ... but equal rights for different gender identities is beginning to be a settled issue.

Red States are accelerating this matter beyond anything any individual could have done by passing obviously unconstitutional laws, and then counter suing the Federal Government ... quickest way to the Supreme Court.

Quickest way for equal rights for all gender identities to be the law of the land.

There's something just deliciously ironic about that.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Freija
I'm guessing you don't come with bias or an agenda...


My "agenda" is consistent and perfectly clear - that transgender students have the right to use the facilities that match who they are as people.

Released earlier this week by an organization I financially support and am peripherally involved with. Might be worth a read to understand the issues? Download link in the middle of the page.

Transgender Students and School Bathrooms

For a more comprehensive look, download the PDF, Schools in Transition: A Guide for Supporting Transgender Students in K-12 Schools



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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if i may...

how does it "feel" to be a female versus a male? do males experience an existential quality that is different from that of females? how do you know you feel more like a penis than a vagina? who i am is not defined by my genitalia, so its somewhat confusing to see people coddling their gender identities like spoiled pets. as though implying you enjoy or respect anything other than what they are is a profound insult to their validity as a person. it gets to a point where i feel that it almost mocks people who are or have historically been objectified according to their gender, ethnicity, etc. "oooh, they get attention for being a victim? i wanna be a victim!" enter transgender controversy.

grandstanding is a pretty effective distraction tactic for a country with the attention span of a youtube video.
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posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Annee

Is this the friends you've been talking about, the one who educated you?

I'll never agree with any of this no matter how many of you come together. If I see a sanny-bin in the chaps lav I'll be removing it.


Knowing factual, correct, info and avoiding mis-info is the basis of informed discussion.

As stated: from professionals/specialists in the field of transgender, and transgenders themselves.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: Freija

Sorry, getting a '404 - file not found' for the 'Interview with Dr. Dehjnes' link.

The second link - the blog by some leftist, progressive, is as subjective as it claims Dr McHugh to be in his findings, here's a quote:




In particular, they like to cite a paper that McHugh wrote in 2004 for the NeoCon magazine "First Things". His article in "First Things" is a doozy - drawing conclusions that are astonishingly subjective.

Those I met after surgery would tell me that the surgery and hormone treatments that had made them “women” had also made them happy and contented. None of these encounters were persuasive, however. The post-surgical subjects struck me as caricatures of women.

The short comment here is that in McHugh's view, transsexuals didn't measure up to his idea of beauty. For a supposed professional, working in mental health, McHugh should have long ago discarded such idiotic believes from his practice.


Opinionated tripe written by who, exactly? This article is meaningless, for all I know you wrote that. There are two comments to an article published in 2009!

The next link is to a site called Gender Analysis - I'm pretty sure this isn't in any way biased!

What an awesome and credible source this is! Better than being educated by a freind, like Annee - I'll give you that.

It goes on, I'll opt for ignorance since it's suitable enough for the opposition to take that option. Yep, your previous sources either didn't work or were written by 'dog' knows who.

you can use whatever labels you want to identify various disorders. In the end it boild down to reality, again!

there's just no escaping it...man has penis...woman has vagina...cats have whiskers and a tail.

It's all a rich tappestry.
edit on 27-5-2016 by samerulesapply because: C&P issue



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
if i may...

how does it "feel" to be a female versus a male? do males experience an existential quality that is different from that of females? how do you know you feel more like a penis than a vagina? who i am is not defined by my genitalia, so its somewhat confusing to see people coddling their gender identities like spoiled pets. as though implying you enjoy or respect anything other than what they are is a profound insult to their validity as a person. it gets to a point where i feel that it almost mocks people who are or have historically been objectified according to their gender, ethnicity, etc. "oooh, they get attention for being a victim? i wanna be a victim!" enter transgender controversy.

grandstanding is a pretty effective distraction tactic for a country with the attention span of a youtube video.


I asked this a few times, never got an answer.

but I'd assume it's similar to thinking you're a cat. You just know, insiiiide!



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Freija
I'm guessing you don't come with bias or an agenda...


My "agenda" is consistent and perfectly clear - that transgender students have the right to use the facilities that match who they are as people.

Released earlier this week by an organization I financially support and am peripherally involved with. Might be worth a read to understand the issues? Download link in the middle of the page.

Transgender Students and School Bathrooms

For a more comprehensive look, download the PDF, Schools in Transition: A Guide for Supporting Transgender Students in K-12 Schools


how do you determine who someone is as a person? how do you confirm a 30 year old african american woman as a 12 year old mongolian male? because they tell you thats what they are? oy vey...
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posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: TzarChasm
if i may...

how does it "feel" to be a female versus a male? do males experience an existential quality that is different from that of females? how do you know you feel more like a penis than a vagina? who i am is not defined by my genitalia, so its somewhat confusing to see people coddling their gender identities like spoiled pets. as though implying you enjoy or respect anything other than what they are is a profound insult to their validity as a person. it gets to a point where i feel that it almost mocks people who are or have historically been objectified according to their gender, ethnicity, etc. "oooh, they get attention for being a victim? i wanna be a victim!" enter transgender controversy.

grandstanding is a pretty effective distraction tactic for a country with the attention span of a youtube video.


I asked this a few times, never got an answer.

but I'd assume it's similar to thinking you're a cat. You just know, insiiiide!


and thats why i call bull crap.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:54 PM
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Nobody has said anything about the video I linked to that listed countless sex offenders and murderers who are also transgender - people who were convicted of crimes in bathrooms and female locker rooms, etc. I like how that was ignored.

I know how some would love to take that, but no - let's clarify. I'd say the ratio of trans to non-trans folk who are murderers are most likely about the same. Lest I be accused of more absurdities.

But in all honesty - now that these people can happily waltz into the whatever bathroom they want, unchallenged.

So not only kids and non-trans (I refuse to be called a cis-gender or recognise it as a label of any type) but trans people are also in danger.

Which is great! I...I just love this world!



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: samerulesapply

originally posted by: TzarChasm
if i may...

how does it "feel" to be a female versus a male? do males experience an existential quality that is different from that of females? how do you know you feel more like a penis than a vagina? who i am is not defined by my genitalia, so its somewhat confusing to see people coddling their gender identities like spoiled pets. as though implying you enjoy or respect anything other than what they are is a profound insult to their validity as a person. it gets to a point where i feel that it almost mocks people who are or have historically been objectified according to their gender, ethnicity, etc. "oooh, they get attention for being a victim? i wanna be a victim!" enter transgender controversy.

grandstanding is a pretty effective distraction tactic for a country with the attention span of a youtube video.


I asked this a few times, never got an answer.

but I'd assume it's similar to thinking you're a cat. You just know, insiiiide!


and thats why i call bull crap.


Just curious, do your really want honest, informed, educated answers?



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