It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Luke 19:27 Jesus: 'But those mine enemies...slay them before me.'

page: 1
3
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on May, 25 2016 @ 09:50 AM
link   
I spent many years as a Christian and I don't recall Jesus ever calling for someone's death.

Christians, I believe your religion has been changed. Drastically!



Luke 19:27

Parallel Verses
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

New Living Translation
And as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king--bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.'"

English Standard Version
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

Berean Study Bible
And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me.'"

Berean Literal Bible
Furthermore, these enemies of mine, those not having been willing for me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.'"

New American Standard Bible
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

King James Bible
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But bring here these enemies of mine, who did not want me to rule over them, and slaughter them in my presence.'"

International Standard Version
But as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!'"

NET Bible
But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!'"

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“However, those my enemies, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them and kill them in front of me.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Bring my enemies, who didn't want me to be their king. Kill them in front of me.'"

New American Standard 1977
“But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”

Jubilee Bible 2000
Moreover, those enemies of mine, who were unwilling that I should reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.

King James 2000 Bible
But those my enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring here, and slay them before me.

American King James Version
But those my enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring here, and slay them before me.

American Standard Version
But these mine enemies, that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.

Darby Bible Translation
Moreover those mine enemies, who would not [have] me to reign over them, bring them here and slay [them] before me.

English Revised Version
Howbeit these mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Webster's Bible Translation
But those my enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Weymouth New Testament
But as for those enemies of mine who were unwilling that I should become their king, bring them here, and cut them to pieces in my presence.'"

World English Bible
But bring those enemies of mine who didn't want me to reign over them here, and kill them before me.'"

Young's Literal Translation
but those my enemies, who did not wish me to reign over them, bring hither and slay before me.'
Luke 19:27

edit on 25-5-2016 by Profusion because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 25 2016 @ 09:55 AM
link   
a reply to: Profusion

I don't like people cherry picking scripture.

Not the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, or the myriad of other Holy Books.


It's divisive. & context is lost.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 09:59 AM
link   

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Profusion

I don't like people cherry picking scripture.

Not the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, or the myriad of other Holy Books.


It's divisive. & context is lost.


And therein-lies the problem... They all cherry pick



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:04 AM
link   
I agree with Hazardous.
If you cherry pick anything, I mean anything, you can take the meaning out of context and thus change it altogether.
The scripture you have there is part of a wider story, it's a parable being spoken to Zaccheus.

That isn't Jesus or Yeshua demanding that you should literally go kill people.
It would have been an act of judgement passed on by the master of the servants upon those who were his enemies, not by the servants themselves.
edit on 5/25/2016 by TheSilverGate because: spelling error



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:06 AM
link   
Did Jesus say that or did the men who wrote the Bible decades after Jesus died said he said that? Since Christianity is mostly (except for some strict fundamentalists) a cafeteria religion, most people pick and choose what rules to follow. Speaking as a Christian-raised individual (although I'm agnostic now), most, not all, self-proclaimed Christians I know are the most hypocritical people I know. They'll spend all Sunday morning in church, then leave and talk trash about their neighbors. They do everything but adhere to Christ's supposed words. I once dated a fundamental Baptist in my younger years and she was one of the wildest partiers I knew. I used to ask her how she could reconcile her wild ways with her religious fervor. Her answer? She reasoned that no matter what she did, at the end of the day, Jesus would forgive her and she would go to heaven anyway. As Gandhi said, paraphrasing, "I like your Christ, but your Christians, not so much".

On the bright side, this just says that Christ said kill "enemies", not innocent non-believers like another major religion.
edit on 5jY by UnBreakable because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:07 AM
link   
You could add Matthew 10:34 and Revelation 19:15 and make a sermon out of it too.

The word hasn't changed. But a lot of "Christians" don't actually read the Bible.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:09 AM
link   

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Profusion

I don't like people cherry picking scripture.

Not the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, or the myriad of other Holy Books.


It's divisive. & context is lost.


You don't have to cherry pick when it comes to the koran. It has over 100 verses in it that call for violence against infidels.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:14 AM
link   

originally posted by: peskyhumans

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Profusion

I don't like people cherry picking scripture.

Not the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, or the myriad of other Holy Books.


It's divisive. & context is lost.


You don't have to cherry pick when it comes to the koran. It has over 100 verses in it that call for violence against infidels.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...


The sad thing is that so many self proclaimed christians are so intent on demonizing their competitors, that they spend all their time studying other religions rather than practicing their own.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:15 AM
link   

originally posted by: peskyhumans

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Profusion

I don't like people cherry picking scripture.

Not the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, or the myriad of other Holy Books.


It's divisive. & context is lost.


You don't have to cherry pick when it comes to the koran. It has over 100 verses in it that call for violence against infidels.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...


Everyone of them in self defence.

Sorry you need such an anti-Islamic source to pedal your BS.

Maybe next time.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:19 AM
link   
This is silly
The verse has always been part of the bible, it's a parable

The bible has always been very clear.

The parable is about a land owner who gives his wealth to his workers, it's an allegory, it's about how people live this life and what their reward is if they squander what God has given them

It's never been hidden, even the book of revelations makes it very clear what happens to the enemy's of Christ, judged and condemned to destruction, justice

If you havnt read it before then that would suggest you havnt read it before, it's always been there
edit on 25-5-2016 by Raggedyman because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:20 AM
link   

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: peskyhumans

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Profusion

I don't like people cherry picking scripture.

Not the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, or the myriad of other Holy Books.


It's divisive. & context is lost.


You don't have to cherry pick when it comes to the koran. It has over 100 verses in it that call for violence against infidels.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...


Everyone of them in self defence.

Sorry you need such an anti-Islamic source to pedal your BS.

Maybe next time.


No. No they aren't. Did you read some of them?

koran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

"kill them wherever you find them" is NOT defensive warfare. That's calling upon all muslims to seek out and slay non-muslims wherever they can be found, as it literally states.

There are multiple examples of this in there. islam is not a religion of peace.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:26 AM
link   
a reply to: Profusion




I spent many years as a Christian and I don't recall Jesus ever calling for someone's death. Christians, I believe your religion has been changed. Drastically!


dare I say another one of your "mandella effect" threads? You obviously never paid attention whilst a christian or you're trolling -



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:29 AM
link   
a reply to: peskyhumans

Cherry picker.

kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.

Return and fight for your place.

I thought you didn't need to cherry pick the Quran.

Not only have you done so, but also you have no idea of the context.


People like you are the problem.


Now back to Jesus' words.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:32 AM
link   
I agree it's not a verse that's brought up that much in Church. A lot of pastors aren't comfortable talking about Hell, or divine wrath, or the end-times.

If you read Revelation, it's made quite clear that the next time Jesus comes, it's not going to be joy, rainbows, and free cotton candy for everyone. His second coming will be in the form of God's Wrath, and he will destroy all life on earth by speaking words that will tear the flesh from the bones of all who hear him, which will be everyone everywhere.

He will then establish his kingdom on earth and it will be made up of those who he raises from the dead, only.

Jesus is a kind and forgiving man, and serves a kind and forgiving God. But there is a limit. A perfect God cannot suffer sin in his presence, and if you reject him and refuse to accept him, there does come a point of no return. A lot of Churches focus on the salvation message and gloss over the concept of damnation. There will be wrath and punishment.

No fault of the OP's. But if you are a Christian you need to read your Bible. Every day.
edit on 5/25/16 by peskyhumans because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:34 AM
link   
a reply to: Hazardous1408

They key word there is "and". It's not kill them where they have turned you out, it's kill them wherever you find them AND turn them out where they have turned you out.

You are the one cherry-picking. You don't want to accept the words written as literally as possible.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:36 AM
link   
a reply to: peskyhumans

You do realise the word "and" doesn't even appear in the Quran.

It's the the best fitting translation from Arabic.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:38 AM
link   
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Go argue with mohammad then.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 10:58 AM
link   
Luke, who never met Jesus, is quoting a source quoting Jesus telling a parable about a fictional king who said the killing thing.

What the hell is wrong with you?



originally posted by: Profusion
I spent many years as a Christian and I don't recall Jesus ever calling for someone's death.

Christians, I believe your religion has been changed. Drastically!



Luke 19:27

Parallel Verses
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

New Living Translation
And as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king--bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.'"

English Standard Version
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

Berean Study Bible
And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me.'"

Berean Literal Bible
Furthermore, these enemies of mine, those not having been willing for me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.'"

New American Standard Bible
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

King James Bible
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But bring here these enemies of mine, who did not want me to rule over them, and slaughter them in my presence.'"

International Standard Version
But as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!'"

NET Bible
But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!'"

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“However, those my enemies, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them and kill them in front of me.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Bring my enemies, who didn't want me to be their king. Kill them in front of me.'"

New American Standard 1977
“But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”

Jubilee Bible 2000
Moreover, those enemies of mine, who were unwilling that I should reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.

King James 2000 Bible
But those my enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring here, and slay them before me.

American King James Version
But those my enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring here, and slay them before me.

American Standard Version
But these mine enemies, that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.

Darby Bible Translation
Moreover those mine enemies, who would not [have] me to reign over them, bring them here and slay [them] before me.

English Revised Version
Howbeit these mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Webster's Bible Translation
But those my enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Weymouth New Testament
But as for those enemies of mine who were unwilling that I should become their king, bring them here, and cut them to pieces in my presence.'"

World English Bible
But bring those enemies of mine who didn't want me to reign over them here, and kill them before me.'"

Young's Literal Translation
but those my enemies, who did not wish me to reign over them, bring hither and slay before me.'
Luke 19:27



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 11:07 AM
link   
a reply to: Profusion

Fascinating: The thread appeals to 3 of the hottest topics on ATS; Islam; Christianity; Mandela Effect!

I am leaving before the house burns down.




posted on May, 25 2016 @ 11:11 AM
link   
a reply to: emsed1

LOL! exactly! He interpreted a interpretation. Thank you!


The book is full of parables and stories meant to teach a broader lesson.




top topics



 
3
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join