Rise of the American Left Wing Authoritarianism (Fascism from the left)

a reply to: Swills

Fascism isn't considered right wing, its by definition.

Oh look who doesn't do some research...ever heard of wiki?


en.wikipedia.org...

The most prominent early user of the term left-fascism was Jürgen Habermas, a sociologist and philosopher influenced by the neo-Marxist Frankfurt School. He used the term in the 1960s to distance the Frankfurt School from the violence and authoritarianism of left-wing terrorists.[1][2] Habermas, whose work emphasizes the importance of rational discourse, democratic institutions and opposition to violence, has made important contributions to conflict theory and is often associated with the radical left. Sociologist Irving Louis Horowitz, in his 1984 book "Winners and Losers", built on Vladimir Lenin's work "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder.[3] Lenin describes the enemies of the working class as opportunists and petty-bourgeois revolutionaries, which he links to anarchism. Horowitz argues that there was a similar political strain in the United States in the 1980s, which he characterizes as "left-wing fascism". Horowitz argues that it is dangerous to assume clear distinctions between left, centre and right, and that various combinations are possible. He warned of "left fascism" during later years of the European Years of Lead, which were rife with red-black terrorist groups such as the German Rote Armee Fraktion (RAF) and the Italian Red Brigades, which had mixed left- and right-wing influences.

a reply to: onequestion

You're the one detailing your thread because for some reason you can't answer two questions about statements you made. But I accept the fact you refuse to answer but stop blaming me for your short comings.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Funny enough, I actually did read that recently. Here's something you can do, Google "fascism definition" and post what pops up.

a reply to: onequestion

Jonah Goldberg book "Liberal Fascism"

But who are the real fascists in our midst? In “Liberal Fascism,” National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the left — and that liberals, from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton, have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler and Mussolini. Replacing manufactured myths with enlightening research, Goldberg begins by showing how the Italian fascism, German Nazism and American Progressivism (forebear of modern liberalism) all drew from the same intellectual foundations the idea that the state can create a kind of social utopia for its citizens. He then traces fascism’s history in the U.S. — from Woodrow Wilson’s war socialism and FDR’s New Deal to today’s liberal push for a greater alliance between big business and government. Finally, Goldberg reveals the striking resemblances between the opinions advanced by Hitler and Mussolini and the current views of the left on such diverse issues as government’s role in the economy, campaign finance reform, campus “speech codes,” education, environmentalism, gun control, abortion, and euthanasia - See more at: www.conservativebookclub.com...

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Yep and Mussolini himself coined the term "totalitarian"

a reply to: SargonThrall

Hitler was just slightly to the right of communism and Trotsky said fascism was the right wing socialism and socialism is left wing.....lets face it
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a reply to: theantediluvian

They both put opponents in prison....doctors, artists, anyone who didn't tow the party line....you know the whole gulag thing....
I just love Solzhenitsyn for exposing it.

a reply to: onequestion

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a reply to: onequestion

First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing, but I believe we are beginning to see the rise of authoritarianism from the left.

That's cause they are trying to use a false equivalency to American politics.

The Italian political process and parties, and German political process's and party's are hardly comparable to the American political system.

Check this out.

Hitler was a 'fascist' right ?

He was a self professed socialist that used unions to gain power, and he's a 'right' winger !

So bleeping wrong.

True some people just love calling the right 'fascists', and they are so wrong it ain't even funny.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: onequestion

First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing, but I believe we are beginning to see the rise of authoritarianism from the left.

That's cause they are trying to use a false equivalency to American politics.

The Italian political process and parties, and German political process's and party's are hardly comparable to the American political system.

Check this out.

Hitler was a 'fascist' right ?

He was a self professed socialist that used unions to gain power, and he's a 'right' winger !

So bleeping wrong.

True some people just love calling the right 'fascists', and they are so wrong it ain't even funny.

On of Hitlers first acts was to ban trade unions.

National Socialism is not socialism.

I was going to bother replying to this but then I saw who the OP is and realized it would be an exercise in futility and I really don't feel like giving it the old college try now.

Fascism has nothing to do with the left. Fascism is when private corporations, the people who own and control them and/or private special interests in general finish purchasing or even absorbing the state apparatus (the legislative, administrative and judicial branches at least, though usually also the press).

It has nothing to do with left wing politics. It has everything to do with right wing politics because it is the final evolution of a rich minority using their wealth to basically purchase political power.

Fascism is not left wing authoritarianism. It is right wing authoritarianism. What you're probably thinking of is probably the concept of dictatorship of the proletariat. But that has nothing to do with Fascism. Fascism is a form of plutocratic oligarchy.

Trying to make it seem like Fascism and Nazism are remotely left wing when the closest to a left wing equivalent is a dictatorship of the proletariat is simply right wing propaganda.

Also, all these SJWs types and aren't really left wing. They just like to pretend they are and they like to practice identity politics. They don't actually believe in left wing economic policies.

The true left is socially and culturally conservative and economically liberal / progressive. They also don't necessarily despise religion or culture inherited from their forebears and aren't by default for against what comes naturally and for the unnatural, contrived and artificial.

They don't seek to overturn gender roles, make people ashamed of their heterosexuality, make women ashamed or their femininity, men ashamed of their masculinity etc.

These clowns, the SJW, identity politics types are the exact reverse. They are not the left. They are not for left wing economic policies. The true left is basically extinct in the US.

The SJWs / identity politics types are the modern day Victorian gentry. Among the enemies of the real left.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
drumpf lowered the bar, and there are idiots in every party

I have been following US politics since 1980 and I can't ever remember violence being this common, and it all started with the hate speech and not so sublte fascism coming from drumpf in phase 1

Nonsense. It actually started with BLM in Fergussen long before Trump started coming to prominece. This is very much an extreme Left issue. It's a form of Totalitarianism. Fascism by the way is a Leftist ideology. It's commonly associated with Nazi Germany - but the misonception is that most people today dont realize that the Nazis were actually a Leftist Socialist organization. So th label is perfectly apt: Fascism it is.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: onequestion

First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing, but I believe we are beginning to see the rise of authoritarianism from the left.

That's cause they are trying to use a false equivalency to American politics.

The Italian political process and parties, and German political process's and party's are hardly comparable to the American political system.

Check this out.

Hitler was a 'fascist' right ?

He was a self professed socialist that used unions to gain power, and he's a 'right' winger !

So bleeping wrong.

True some people just love calling the right 'fascists', and they are so wrong it ain't even funny.

On of Hitlers first acts was to ban trade unions.

National Socialism is not socialism.

I dissagee. The National Socialist Workers Party Of Germany were certainly Socialists - at least when they came to power. But like many extreme Leftist organisations, they soon morphed into Totalitarianism - much lime the EU today has.

Ca reply to: burgerbuddy
Canada's new prime minister Trudeau is the only real Fascist in political office in N America today. This guy is really scary. He is rapidly becoming Orwell's worst nightmare come true.

originally posted by: jimbo999

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: onequestion

First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing, but I believe we are beginning to see the rise of authoritarianism from the left.

That's cause they are trying to use a false equivalency to American politics.

The Italian political process and parties, and German political process's and party's are hardly comparable to the American political system.

Check this out.

Hitler was a 'fascist' right ?

He was a self professed socialist that used unions to gain power, and he's a 'right' winger !

So bleeping wrong.

True some people just love calling the right 'fascists', and they are so wrong it ain't even funny.

On of Hitlers first acts was to ban trade unions.

National Socialism is not socialism.

I dissagee. The National Socialist Workers Party Of Germany were certainly Socialists - at least when they came to power. But like many extreme Leftist organisations, they soon morphed into Totalitarianism - much lime the EU today has.

Much like the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is Democratic?
Amongst the first groups targeted by the Nazis when whey came to power was the socialists.
Their primary obsessions was race and nationality not class
They worked with industrialists to consolidate power and banned trade unions.
None of which sounds even vaguely socialist to me (or any serious historians for that matter).

Oh and the EU is neoliberal, not socialist.

originally posted by: jimbo999

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
drumpf lowered the bar, and there are idiots in every party

I have been following US politics since 1980 and I can't ever remember violence being this common, and it all started with the hate speech and not so sublte fascism coming from drumpf in phase 1

Nonsense. It actually started with BLM in Fergussen long before Trump started coming to prominece. This is very much an extreme Left issue. It's a form of Totalitarianism. Fascism by the way is a Leftist ideology. It's commonly associated with Nazi Germany - but the misonception is that most people today dont realize that the Nazis were actually a Leftist Socialist organization. So th label is perfectly apt: Fascism it is.

No, the Nazis weren't leftists. That's only how the right wing, particularly in the United States, decided they'll try and rewrite history as.

Just one example : Fascists and Nazis are against nationalisation of industry, banks etc. Whereas actual leftists are in favour of that.

Fascists, Nazis and rightists in general are for private ownership, particularly over the means of production, and private property in general. Leftists are against.

Fascists, Nazis and rightists in general are for eugenics and sterilising, repressing or doing away with the poor. Leftists are for uplifting the poor, for redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor. If not also take away the means the rich have to maintain their privileged economic status.

Fascists, Nazis and rightists in general are for restricted suffrage or censitary suffrage, the left is for universal, equal suffrage.

Etc.

a reply to: ScepticScot

National Socialism is not socialism.

oh please! This is such a tired and untrue argument. lol its funny too.... making me laugh. There was a rift between national and International socialist groups.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: ScepticScot

National Socialism is not socialism.

oh please! This is such a tired and untrue argument. lol its funny too.... making me laugh. There was a rift between national and International socialist groups.

As described in your big bumber book of madey up history.
This strange obsession a certain sub set of the right has with clasifying Hitler and the NAZIs as left wing is pretty pathetic.
No serious historian thinks of them as socialist for the very simple reason that they weren't. Their ideology very wasn't socialist, the policies weren't socialist, they were opposed by all the left wing parties.
Fascism and Communism are not the same thing. It is possible for there to be more than one totalitarian ideology and most people seem to have no understanding this.

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
I had to look up WTF SJW meant.

From Urban dictionary

"SJW
Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.
#1:

A social justice warrior reads an essay about a form of internal misogyny where women and girls insult stereotypical feminine activities and characteristics in order to boost themselves over other women.

The SJW absorbs this and later complains in response to a Huffington Post article about a 10-year-old feminist's letter, because the 10-year-old called the color pink "prissy".

#2:

Commnter: "I don't like getting manicures. It's too prissy."

SJW: "Oh my god, how #ing dare you use that word, you disgusting sexist piece of sh$t!"
#sjw #dogpile #internet activist #slacktivism #angry people #tumblr #livejournal
by boiledchicken January 07, 2012

Spot on definition. Someday Urban Dictionary will be The Webster's of our world.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: onequestion

Its not the size of the group that worries me its their power.

You have good reasons to be worried. I posit that what they're managing to achieve is marginalizing people who disagree with them out of the public square, or in the terms of the Internet, public space. Through their PC programs, the SJW crowd creates an atmosphere such that the only thing "normal" people can do is to take all measures necessary to avoid contact with these people. And that's because in their rants, they control language such that there's no persuading them to any middle ground.

Yep just like in 1984 this guy did an essay about it rorueso.blogs.uv.es...

"Orwell believed that totalitarianism and the corruption of language were connected. He focused especially on political language where you distorted events and concepts by calling them something else. You said things in such a way that you avoided producing an inner picture of them. As an example, in Politics and the English Language. He said that 'If thoughts can corrupt language, language can also corrupt thoughts. ' This idea would eventually lead to Newspeak."

" ’Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. [...] Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. [...] In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking - not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.’ "

There really is a war on language going on. On the TV. On the internet. In our schools. In our Bath Rooms. When South Park said that, "Toilet time is the last bastion of American freedom." I was laughing my ass off because I had never even heard of these SJW's then. Now it's not as funny.