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Rise of the American Left Wing Authoritarianism (Fascism from the left)

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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing, but I believe we are beginning to see the rise of authoritarianism from the left. I've noticed a recent surge of this phenomenon working its way into the MSM rapidly by mostly Bernie Sanders supporters.

Now let me make it clear that I believe it has nothing to do with Sanders himself, its a rogue element using Sanders in the same fashion that Daesh and other radicals use Islam to turn believers into radicals or to gain support from believers.

Observer



The modern social justice movement, or the new “political correctness,” vaulted into the spotlight last year. Student protests swept across campuses with demands often focused on purging thoughtcrime—leading to heated debates on whether this movement is a dangerous pseudo-progressive authoritarianism or a long-overdue effort to achieve justice for all.


Here we have one of the most important questions we need to be asking ourselves.

Is this authoritarian or prgoressive and cultural adaptation?

I totally understand wanting to end hate paradigms and addressing with REAL racism, sexism, and other forms of indiscriminate hate against any and all groups, HOWEVER I do not believe the way we are going about it is the right way. We should be creating and promoting cultural changes that are based on merit and not sex, race, religion, nationality or any of it!

Chris Ryan PHD Podcast

Here is an episode from the Chris Ryan Podcast where he interviews Reid Mihalko, a professor and self professed SJW. During this episode you'll hear Reid address all the scary ideology being promote by this movement. Subjects like, safe spaces, gender pronouns, white privileged, among others.

Regardless of my own thoughts on the above subjects what really makes me nervous is not the conversation around these topics (which can be good) but the action taken by many so called SJW's. You can see it on campus, on the forums, on Facebook and in social media.

What am I talking about?

Violence, verbal and physical violence being accepted from the social justice movements towards people who do not agree with their perspective and the acceptance of this violence. Either your a moron, an idiot, completely stupid, or worthy of physical attack if you disagree with anything being said by the purported leaders of this movement! Its insanity!

I realize the country is going through a lot and our minds are adjusting to information overload from the internet but I think we need to all step back and chill out a little bit and realize that we're entering into a new paradigm culturally and globally. That we really have no precedence for and how we handle it is going to determine the future for the entire human race.
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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 07:51 PM
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I'd love to comment and set some things straight, but this isn't in the political forum(s).




posted on May, 24 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Well to be honest I wasn't sure if it should be hear or not but please feel free to comment.

If the mods feel it needs to be moved they will move it.

Also as long as were discussing the topics I really dont care.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: onequestion


Subjects like, safe spaces, gender pronouns, white privileged, among others.


There are certainly people "on the Left" who act in an authoritarian manner in regards to some of these things. Remember the stupid twit associate media professor who made "safe spaces" a household word? Everything about her actions were authoritarian and in her case, she was the would be authoritarian ruler.

When students demand that college administrators silence another student/student group's speech, that's the definition of authoritarianism.

There's a very simple way of distinguishing authoritarianism from that which is not:

Authoritarians seek a strong central authority — often in the form of a populist leader — to suppress or restrict some aspect of another group in violation of the rights of the individuals within that group.

Another example of this on the Left might be the more extreme members of the "anti-gun" movement who would be perfectly happy to accept overreach if it meant banning firearms. That's not everyone but it's not an insignificant number either.

FTR, the number of people "on the Left" who actually subscribe to illiberal concepts like "safe spaces" or "triggering" are fairly few. I'm sure it seems like they are a much larger group then they really are but yea, confirmation bias is a b# and the right-wing media does a really good job of broadcasting every single instance of some authoritarian asshole behaving badly. On the other hand, the face that groups with a majority status have certain privileges shouldn't be remotely controversial.

"Political Correctness" isn't authoritarianism as it there's no strong central authority nor are any right's being violated. Nor is it a phenomenon that is found strictly among those on the "Left."
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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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When students demand that college administrators silence another student/student group's speech, that's the definition of authoritarianism.


Oh good point thats one I wanted to bring up but forgot.



FTR, the number of people "on the Left" who actually subscribe to illiberal concepts like "safe spaces" or "triggering" are fairly few. I'm sure it seems like they are a much larger group then they really are but yea


Its not the size of the group that worries me its their power.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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Reading This made me think of some fiends who are very militantly left... And about if I decided to "come out " as the conservative that I am to them... I rally could see a couple of them resorting to violence. Sort of an eye opener...

Off topic but then I pictured myself responding to their violence... Let's just say neither are a fine example of rational discourse..

I always heard the conspiracy talk about civil war and Obama extending his presidency via marshal law , and such... Only in the last few months has it felt possible.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: SteamyJeans

While i dont believe Obama will ever extend his presidency, I see anecdotal evidence in my own personal life similar to what youve stated here.

While rarely anyone i know in my personal life would want to fight me i have been called a moron, or stupid for taking more conservative stances on issues especially in regards to how i feel about social welfare programs.

I tend to be more pragmatic in real life.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Fascism isn't considered right wing, its by definition.

You know, a thread like this should really be in the Mud Pit, no?
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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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drumpf lowered the bar, and there are idiots in every party

I have been following US politics since 1980 and I can't ever remember violence being this common, and it all started with the hate speech and not so sublte fascism coming from drumpf in phase 1



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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Yea I agree I don't actually expect those things to happen but Like you said andectotaly some of that talk seems more plausible than ever what with Trump and Bernie causing such a stir...

The violence is a tough one because I feel like all preconceived notions have been thrown out the window liberal were supposed to be relaxed lovey types now they are getting violent I saw a video of a kid going beast mode one guy holding a sign (that I mostly disagreed with) yet kid got violent because sign was offensive... Insanity all around.a reply to: onequestion



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: Swills

It is by definition but i think left and right are interchangeable variables that produce the same predictable outcome to im using it for both.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: syrinx high priest
drumpf lowered the bar, and there are idiots in every party

I have been following US politics since 1980 and I can't ever remember violence being this common, and it all started with the hate speech and not so sublte fascism coming from drumpf in phase 1


First off Trumps "hate speech" is mildly hate at best and secondly the violence comes from the democrats or mostly Bernie Supporters not Trump followers.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: SteamyJeans
Yea I agree I don't actually expect those things to happen but Like you said andectotaly some of that talk seems more plausible than ever what with Trump and Bernie causing such a stir...

The violence is a tough one because I feel like all preconceived notions have been thrown out the window liberal were supposed to be relaxed lovey types now they are getting violent I saw a video of a kid going beast mode one guy holding a sign (that I mostly disagreed with) yet kid got violent because sign was offensive... Insanity all around.a reply to: onequestion



I agree.

Theres a social justice conference happening at my local university Im thinking about going with a camera and asking some questions and recording the reactions.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:36 PM
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Also, you're playing up the incidence of actual physical violence.


Violence, verbal and physical violence being accepted from the social justice movements towards people who do not agree with their perspective and the acceptance of this violence. Either your a moron, an idiot, completely stupid, or worthy of physical attack if you disagree with anything being said by the purported leaders of this movement! Its insanity!


If one of the people you presume to be critical of ever said the words "verbal violence" they'd be ridiculed to no end. Let them say it on TV and there'd be threads about it for years to come in my opinion. The degree to which certain behaviors are considered acceptable is also fairly low among most Lefties I know though you'll always have the outliers who think that the ends justify any means.

Most of the people who will post in this thread will have been in plenty of threads involving recent incidents of violence and intimidation, mostly but not exclusively occurring at Trump rallies. How often do you see people you'd consider to be left/left-leaning actually support the actions of the people involved? How often do you see them agreeing that it's wrong? I think if you look at it objectively, you'll find that there's not a lot of people from on the Left who condone any time of violence, threats or intimidation. I personally don't support crap like jumping on stage to shout at speakers or blocking roads to rallies either** but I'm no more accountable for these people than the average Trump voter is accountable for the jackass sucker punching a protester being escorted out of the venue.

Even when I agree with their positions, I still don't approve of the tactics. They're wrong, often people's rights are being violated and they're simply not effective at doing anything but solidifying opposition. In particular, some of the "activism" of BLM protesters in this election cycle has been ridiculously bad. We could probably have honest conversations about it but the context of these discussions is far too often a thread attempting to prove that every BLM protester is a "terrorist" paid by George Soros. That's "Political Correctness" too in case you haven't noticed.

** holding signs is another matter altogether. If Donald "Everyone mistreats me" Trump is too much of a "snowflake" to speak while a person is holding a sign he doesn't like, he's unfit to lead the local PTA.
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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:36 PM
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This thread comes mere MINUTES after an event hosted by Milo Yiannopoulos was shut down by BLM "Activists".

Even threatened Milo physically.

www.breitbart.com...




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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing...


How is Facism right wing?

-Pol Pot
-Lenin
-Hitler
-Mao Tze Tung
-Kim Il Sung
-Ho Chi Minh
-Stalin

Name one of these famous Facists who were not Socialist or Communist. I'm sure right wing Facism exists, but historically speaking, it's been mostly the left wing that has exhibited Facist tendencies.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Also, you're playing up the incidence of actual physical violence.


Violence, verbal and physical violence being accepted from the social justice movements towards people who do not agree with their perspective and the acceptance of this violence. Either your a moron, an idiot, completely stupid, or worthy of physical attack if you disagree with anything being said by the purported leaders of this movement! Its insanity!


If one of the people you presume to be critical of ever said the words "verbal violence" they'd be ridiculed to no end. Let them say it on TV and there'd be threads about it for years to come in my opinion. The degree to which certain behaviors are considered acceptable is also fairly low among most Lefties I know though you'll always have the outliers who think that the ends justify any means.

Most of the people who will post in this thread will have been in plenty of threads involving recent incidents of violence and intimidation, mostly but not exclusively occurring at Trump rallies. How often do you see people you'd consider to be left/left-leaning actually support the actions of the people involved? How often do you see them agreeing that it's wrong? I think if you look at it objectively, you'll find that there's not a lot of people from on the Left who condone any type of violence, threats or intimidation. I personally don't support crap like jumping on stage to shout at speakers or blocking roads to rallies either** but I'm no more accountable for these people than the average Trump supporter is accountable for the jackass sucker punching a protester being escorted out of a venue.

Even when I agree with their positions, I still don't approve of the tactics. They're wrong, often people's rights are being violated and they're simply not effective at doing anything but solidifying opposition. In particular, some of the "activism" of BLM protesters in this election cycle has been ridiculously bad. We could probably have honest conversations about it but the context of these discussions is far too often a thread attempting to prove that every BLM protester is a "terrorist" paid by George Soros. That's "Political Correctness" too in case you haven't noticed.

** holding signs is another matter altogether. If Donald "Everyone mistreats me" Trump is too much of a "snowflake" to speak while a person is holding a sign he doesn't like, he's unfit to lead the local PTA.
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posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I was totally unaware, I'll have to look into this guy and his message.



posted on May, 24 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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The only reason I used to the words "verbal violence" was because I didn't want to say name calling.

Either way its childish and i realize the hypocrisy of using those words but well.. what the hell?




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