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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: nwtrucker
I think we will end up with 4 or MORE political parties vying for power, that is if this country even makes it past this upcoming election. The 2 party system Dems/Repubs both hear the funeral dirge. The problem will be watching who is behind forming these so called parties?
They won't give up their power, and considering that the Democrat and Republican parties have BOTH been in the pocket of advancing "Globalism" will they be bold enough to form a party specifically advancing that agenda?
Also don't forget 1st past the post! It is good the parties are imploding, but don't kid yourself they are not well versed in still using multiple parties to still retain their authority.
Since elections and therefore electorates are bought
After years of success, the Whig Party trudged toward the presidential election of 1852 beset by the kinds of woes currently afflicting the Republican Party. Would the party survive? That question loomed over the Whigs just as it does today's GOP.
Heading toward this year's convention in Cleveland, two former Republican presidents and a number of others from the party's establishment say they'll sit out the meeting because they can't stomach their party's presumptive nominee, Donald Trump. In 1852, President Millard Fillmore was a Whig, but the incumbent was no shoo-in for the nomination. Many party stalwarts were as resolutely set against him as are the organizers of this year's #NeverTrump movement.
At the Whig convention in Baltimore, as one ballot after another failed to nominate a candidate acceptable to all party factions, an Illinois delegate offered a prescient observation: "The Whig party is about to pass through the dark valley of the shadow of death," said U.S. Rep. Elihu Washburne.
A severe split within the Whig ranks, between partisans of Henry Clay and those of Zachary Taylor, preceded the party's convention in June 1848. (Library of Congress)
In fact, the party never emerged from the other side. Badly defeated in 1852, the Whig Party collapsed under the weight of its internal contradictions. It had attempted to be one thing to voters in one section of the country, quite another in a different section. Still, the Tribune attempted to minimize the election disaster, pooh-poohing reports by "various responsible and irresponsible authorities that the Whig Party is dead."
In the aftermath, many Northern Whigs went over to the newly formed Republican Party. Among them was Lincoln, who in accepting its nomination for Illinois senator in 1858, echoed a phrase uttered by Jesus. He was speaking of the nation, but his words could also serve as an epitaph for the Whig Party, in whose ranks he long marched:
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
originally posted by: RomeByFire
So let me get this straight. From the OP, I get the impression that - for a decent percentage of conservatives - the Conservative party does not adequately represent them or the interests of an actual conservative.... in other news, water is wet.
But wait... one of the only ways to alleviate the corruption is to elect in Trump to give Conservatives a make over?
Really? I'm not trying to be clever or sly, but honestly, man? Please tell me you can see the short-sightedness in this.
"The government is corrupt! The GOP does not represent most conservatives!"
Then why in Hell would ANYONE continue to vote for this?! Why continue to support it?!
I simply don't understand. This is political pandering 101, and politicians and "outsiders," (lol) both are using it to fire up their respective bases.
It just seems ultimately counterproductive to me. I'm being told that "the establishment is corrupt, government is too big, dey com'n 4 mah GUNZ," and all these people are screaming at the top of their lungs that the only way to turn these nasty trends around is... you guessed it, casting votes and supporting the very same establishment and system that was previously being denounced.
This "presidential election," has taken on the form of WWE wrestling. It's incredibly fake, scripted, and behind closed doors those who are "fighting," have close famalial ties to one another (Clintons and Trump).