Witness Reports Helicopter 'escorting' cigar UFO

originally posted by: Staroth
a reply to: BO XIAN

There are at least 2 reports to Mufon of the same object/event - case #75344 and #75413

MUFON Case #75413 was the same night, and almost the same description. The witness in that correlating case was able to see the object for a longer time.

Thanks.

Some of these posts are a riot.

It is fascinating how slavishly some folks seemingly MUST mush the observations into their own constructions on reality.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Straight away I'm reminded of parallels with the Landrum case. The chinooks are an obvious connection and the description of the object ('diamond shaped') reflects some of the imagery inspired by the Landrum incident. Continuing that line of thought, I wonder if the witness saw a chinook carrying a fuel bladder as part of an exercise?

The local base PIO says there were possibly '125' in the air that day. The FAA guy suggested 'training for putting out fires this coming summer.' That could also include a chopper carrying a sling for water. The witness comments about the second object being 'silent' isn't supported by my experience of chinooks. They are noisy and something would have to be extremely loud be to heard above them.

The witness says the object was 'in front' of the chinook and also says the sighting was "seemed like less than a second." That alone brings in an element of doubt in how certain he could be that it was in front. It might have 'looked' to be in front and wasn't.

Of course, I also wonder if the reporter is riffing on well-known icons in ufology and putting a story up on MUFON to see where it goes? It seems much less likely than an honest observation being sincerely reported.

UFO or........A Chinook escorting a F117?

a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not even close to an aviation expert. But I'm pretty sure that an F-117 would not be able to fly that slow(i can't source a stall speed for f-117), nor a Chinook fly that fast..

Wikipedia
F-117 Maximum speed: Mach 0.92 (617 mph, 993 km/h) Cruise speed: Mach 0.92

Chinook Maximum speed: 170 knots (196 mph, 315 km/h) Cruise speed: 160 kt

a reply to: jappee

How fast do you think an F-117 is going when it lands?There's more than eniugh lift for that.

Is it possible that the object was underneath the helicopter?Chinooks are used by British forces to carry recon vehicles(i.e. light armoured vehicles).

Seeing something for a second or two could fool the eyes.Or it could be a blimp.

originally posted by: jappee
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not even close to an aviation expert. But I'm pretty sure that an F-117 would not be able to fly that slow(i can't source a stall speed for f-117), nor a Chinook fly that fast..

Wikipedia
F-117 Maximum speed: Mach 0.92 (617 mph, 993 km/h) Cruise speed: Mach 0.92

Chinook Maximum speed: 170 knots (196 mph, 315 km/h) Cruise speed: 160 kt

F117 lands at 180, actually fast. Can still fly at that speed, a Chinook can do 196.


"A few notes on flying the F-117. This is not a small aircraft, she's 65 ft long. However, she is quite maneuverable. At cruising speed she'll perform a snap roll like a smaller aerobatic plane would. However a lower speed she starts to show her size. She will become increasingly sluggish as you approach landing speeds. The F-117s weight will cause her to want to keep moving in whatever direction she's being maneuvered. You may experience a little 'over steer' at low speed. The F-117's wings have little or no dihedral (upward angle). Because of this you may find it difficult to maintain level flight. Stall speed with full flaps is at 90 kts, but she becomes almost unflyable at 115. Landing speeds therefore need to be high. This should be no problem for anyone familiar with flying fast jets.
Use of full flaps, spoilers & drag chute is highly recommended when landing."

www.mirza.hu...

Easily those 2 things.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Plausible issues, certainly.

My impression . . . from reading once . . . was that the cigar object was in front of the copter.

I realize that face to face witnesses will tend to see various things--some true and some not and some mixed.

Nevertheless, I like to have a bias of taking an earnest witness at face value unless and until there's convincing evidence otherwise.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Phage

imho,

I consider it 100% certain that the craft

at a given point in the not toooooooo distant future--on the "near" horizon--


WILL HAVE to start being overtly manifested in broad daylight and VERY routinely.

I expect that in the middle or at the end of WWIII--that is CLEARLY being set-up more and more overtly all the time--by the USA, RUSSIA, CHINA ET AL--essentially--by the oligarchy.


I say that because:

1. I don't think any other force would be sufficient to coerce the world's religions into one religion.

2. I don't think any other force would be quite sufficient to force all the nations into an overt one world tyrannical global government. I think that's what Ronald Reagan's famous Iceland quote was alluding to.

3. The critters are--according to the best researchers I've learned to respect the most:

--Cris Putnam and Tom Horn: Exo-Vaticana
--L.A. Marzulli
--Dr Chuck Missler--DOD IT information processing and analysis specialist; Annapolis grad etc.
--Guy Malone
etc. etc.

all assert that the critters are actually fallen angels playing the role of--pretending to be--ET's . . . as part of the predicted GRAND DECEPTION of the end times.

. . .

I don't expect you to believe much of what I write, Phage--until it starts to come true in your lap.

That it WILL, I have 0.000000000% doubt of.

Agreed Bo
Ever since my first encounter back in the 60's, I was intrigued. By the mid 80's to the 90's, I began to realize that they are the fallen angels. I still want to get a good video of their craft though.

a reply to: Violater1

THANKS THANKS for your kind affirmation.

I think I began to suspect they were at least allied with the 'dark side,' the Dark 'lord' . . . around the 1970's sometime. I wanted to believe that 'some of them' might be from God's camp. But gradually, it became clear that none of them are. AT least, none of the ones doing the oft reported things and appearing as "ET's."

I still don't have the parameters of THE GREAT DECEPTION figured out very well. But the general outline may be in view.

And, sadly, the Body Of Christ is largely still grossly asleep, oblivious, incredulous, scoffing etc. at the whole nine yards.

I used to look more diligently for their craft. And, about 12 years or so ago, I saw one very high and far to the South. At first I and my housemate thought it was a balloon. I got the binoculars out. There was a point of the triangle that was pointing what looked to be down from our distance and angle and that's what I'd interpreted as a balloon. It turned out to be a typical standard sort of triangle craft with the lights on each corner etc.

I was glad it was as far away as it was. I was glad it was unlikely to know we were looking at it from that distance--at least as far as I could guess. I no longer want to see one anywhere near or up close and personal. May The Good Lord keep the Czar and the critters far away from me.

Except the F-117 Nighthawk has been retired from active service for some time now. The F-117 is also not silent by any means and could be heard in flight next to a CH-46.

...And if it were an F-117 being escorted, a Chinook? really? The USAF uses T-38 and F-16s as chase planes to escort fixed wing aircraft, not helicopters.

...And IIRC the only flying F-117(s) now are not black anymore.

Washington....home of the two first reports......chinooks are unreliable....thay must have been desperate....
the witnesses could have better details...if queried maybe...

overall our situation here with the deception.....incoming.......incoming......

originally posted by: StratosFear
Except the F-117 Nighthawk has been retired from active service for some time now. The F-117 is also not silent by any means and could be heard in flight next to a CH-46.

...And if it were an F-117 being escorted, a Chinook? really? The USAF uses T-38 and F-16s as chase planes to escort fixed wing aircraft, not helicopters.

...And IIRC the only flying F-117(s) now are not black anymore.

Your right. What was I thinking. It' aliens flying a daylight, low speed, low altitude neighborhood watch run.

I stand corrected.

Supposing the sighting is genuine, and it's not the mistaken identity of say an object being carried; then why on Earth would anyone think it was anything more than some sort of military vehicle?
True it is unidentified at this time, but that does not mean alien (or er, fallen angels...).
We now have strong lighter than air materials, and perhaps interesting propulsion methods using plasma. We also have blimps.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but why give this any credibility? It's a vague story, submitted by a single person, with no corroborating witnesses or evidence. I could make up something similar and submit it tomorrow, and people would lap it up.

Yes, just assume everyone is lying.

Or make up lies yourself.

That ought to make extraterrestrials not exist.

The only testament we have
is the witness who saw a cigar shaped UFO
being escorted by a Chinook.

After 38 years of looking into UFO's
I don't often run into ;
'Oops sorry
after contacting and filling out the MUFON
questionnaire, I was obviously mistaken as it was
was simply 2 Chinook helicopters'.
& 'My brain evidently hallucinated one of the heli's
but turned it into a silent bladeless stretched out
perhaps diamond shaped UFO.'

I'm weary of having to baby people's belief systems
because their world would shatter if explorers from
our ridiculously life filled Universe show up time to time.
And because we don't know how the magic trick is done
it simply CANT BE.
I'm not saying this was an alien craft but it was most certainly possible.

a reply to: 65536

Though . . .

There's a long history--a great number of reports of military planes and copters escorting UFO's of various shapes and sizes . . . also of military planes "chasing" such at higher speeds.

originally posted by: Urantia1111
Yes, just assume everyone is lying.

Or make up lies yourself.

That ought to make extraterrestrials not exist.

INDEED, INDEED.

I've long thought the compulsion to just toss out reports arbitrarily without a microsecond's worth of fair-minded consideration

was very terminally myopic.

I can understand the fear fostering such a compulsion.

I can understand the insecurity based compulsion to try and shove reality into very tidy little boxes.

Life's just not very good at complying with such compulsions, REALly.

Sooner or later, REALity catches up with us whether we wish it to, or not.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Well put.

Arbitrary and pre-mature closed-minded trashing of possibilities is not likely to be very wise, at all.

Thanks for your input.

Could the helicopter possibly have been escorting a blimp?

Just to help BO out.

edgenorth.ca...

There was quite the uptick in reports in Northern Canada in 2015. Some of these y'all may have heard of, some may be new.

Enjoy!