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Autogynephilia: The Elephant in the Transgender Bathroom

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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I love how many people use the word "hatred" or "bigot" over and over and over and over, as a response to an opposing opinion, or even factual data.


Is either actually happening in this thread?




posted on May, 23 2016 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: MountainLaurel

I don't think Bathrooms are really the "Heart" of why this issue is bothering a lot of people.


Sorry, didn't mean to say I'm accusing YOU of the diatribe inherent in this thread.

And you said a mouthful with this statement. As several folks have clearly shown this "issue" is not about bathroom safety, it's about establishing that Trans* folks (and of course, LGB) are really vile deviants who want to molest kids. It's payback for Obergefell.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: markosity1973





I love how straight 'experts' like to tell us how we in the LGBT community live, despite the fact that they are NOT GAY, usually very biased and talking to a tailored audience.

Let me educate you




I love how "gay experts" like you think that straight people can't possibly know about gay people, can't possibly have an gay friends or family members, talk to us as of you're special Unicorns, and lecture us with an Appeal to Authority, as if you're part of a secret society with special handshakes.

The "LGBT Community" is NOT a monolithic religion, and you are not it's liaison to ATS
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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 07:53 AM
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What about the women transgenders?



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 07:53 AM
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Nice hit piece op. To bad your sources re using information from 30 years ago for the main premise of your theory, which ignores modern neuroscience And psychology.

I have seen every arguement at this point from all the people so afraid to acknowledge that people exist they re uncomfortable with.

The other glaring error here is that old stat from 1999 of the percent of woman sex offenders. It's well known people don't report woman sex offenses and researchers have had issues with this for a long time. Only 30 percent of people abused report abuse. It's far less than that (5 percent) for people who have been abused by woman.

You do know that there are sex offenders right now using bathrooms correct? Convicted sex offenders ? Gay or strait. So your safehaven in the bathroom has a far more sinister situation.

I could also wriye a piece about why woman shouldn't vote for have bank accounts and use dated information to back that up.

The problem is the persecution of transgender people. Your op continues that trend wonderfully.


Also gonna throw out that when womn are sex offenders it's almost always children.

Not throwing women under the bus just saying the OP is using modern journalism methods. Which means poor sources and agenda based reporting.

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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

You do know that there are sex offenders right now using bathrooms correct? Convicted sex offenders ? Gay or strait. So your safehaven in the bathroom has a far more sinister situation.

I could also right a piece about why womn shouldn't vote for have bank accounts and use dated information to back that up.

The problem is the persecution of transgender people. Your op continues that trend wonderfully.



Question for you, if there are "sex offenders using bathrooms now", as you say...

Would making a law stating that all one has to do is CLAIM they are Trans, and adding the ability to use showers and locker rooms....going to.

A) Increase the number of incidents and risk

or

B) Decrease them??
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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: markosity1973





I love how straight 'experts' like to tell us how we in the LGBT community live, despite the fact that they are NOT GAY, usually very biased and talking to a tailored audience.

Let me educate you




I love how "gay experts" like you think that straight people can't possibly know about gay people, can't possibly have an gay friends or family members, talk to us as of you're special Unicorns, and lecture us with an Appeal to Authority, as if you're part of a secret society with special handshakes.

The "LGBT Community" is NOT a monolithic religion, and you are not it's liaison to ATS


Oh Lord, calm your farm and retract those claws sister.

When a so called 'expert' presents false information, we are gonna speak up. That is what discussion forums are for. Did you actually read the rest of my post, or did you just get to the bit you quoted and then angrily hit reply? Because the rest of that post debunks the OP argument.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

There is nothing being passed to protect you.

Nothing.

If it is being passed, that means you are less protected. That is so obvious it makes me wonder why I even answered this.

It will break down the moral fabric of society even more. And make perverts and sexual abusers imagine they are normal, and good.

Many of them are involved with the process of taking away your morality.

We are not fool.s



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: markosity1973





I love how straight 'experts' like to tell us how we in the LGBT community live, despite the fact that they are NOT GAY, usually very biased and talking to a tailored audience.

Let me educate you




I love how "gay experts" like you think that straight people can't possibly know about gay people, can't possibly have an gay friends or family members, talk to us as of you're special Unicorns, and lecture us with an Appeal to Authority, as if you're part of a secret society with special handshakes.

The "LGBT Community" is NOT a monolithic religion, and you are not it's liaison to ATS


Oh Lord, calm your farm and retract those claws sister.

When a so called 'expert' presents false information, we are gonna speak up. That is what discussion forums are for. Did you actually read the rest of my post, or did you just get to the bit you quoted and then angrily hit reply? Because the rest of that post debunks the OP argument.






1) I'm a male. Please don't call me "Sister".

2) You didn't debunk anything.


(post by PeterH removed for a manners violation)

posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: luthier
Nice hit piece op. To bad your sources re using information from 30 years ago for the main premise of your theory, which ignores modern neuroscience And psychology.

I have seen every arguement at this point from all the people so afraid to acknowledge that people exist they re uncomfortable with.

The other glaring error here is that old stat from 1999 of the percent of woman sex offenders. It's well known people don't report woman sex offenses and researchers have had issues with this for a long time. Only 30 percent of people abused report abuse. It's far less than that (5 percent) for people who have been abused by woman.

You do know that there are sex offenders right now using bathrooms correct? Convicted sex offenders ? Gay or strait. So your safehaven in the bathroom has a far more sinister situation.

I could also right a piece about why womn shouldn't vote for have bank accounts and use dated information to back that up.

The problem is the persecution of transgender people. Your op continues that trend wonderfully.



Question for you, if there are "sex offenders using bathrooms now", as you say...

Would making a law stating that all one has to do is CLAIM they are Trans, and adding the ability to use showers and locker rooms....going to.

A) Increase the number of incidents and risk

or

B) Decrease them????


Neither.

This option already exists and has existed ever since woman's clothing was invented.

The main fallacy your arguement has is that it will be legal to rape woman in bathrooms.

Guess what it won't. All the sex offenders can currently do what ever your claiming.

And if your sending kids off to dark hidden bathrooms where no one is around or using the bathroom then shame in you.

Pervs can currently dress as females and or males and go in bathrooms.

Let me ask you this.

Because priests, Rabbi's, parishioners, child care workers have higher rates of sex offenders should we get rid off churches and daycares?

Statistically speaking kids have the highest chance of being sexually assaulted by those people.

If you look at the rape stats. It ain't bathrooms and you usually know the person.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: luthier
Nice hit piece op. To bad your sources re using information from 30 years ago for the main premise of your theory, which ignores modern neuroscience And psychology.

I have seen every arguement at this point from all the people so afraid to acknowledge that people exist they re uncomfortable with.

The other glaring error here is that old stat from 1999 of the percent of woman sex offenders. It's well known people don't report woman sex offenses and researchers have had issues with this for a long time. Only 30 percent of people abused report abuse. It's far less than that (5 percent) for people who have been abused by woman.

You do know that there are sex offenders right now using bathrooms correct? Convicted sex offenders ? Gay or strait. So your safehaven in the bathroom has a far more sinister situation.

I could also right a piece about why womn shouldn't vote for have bank accounts and use dated information to back that up.

The problem is the persecution of transgender people. Your op continues that trend wonderfully.



Question for you, if there are "sex offenders using bathrooms now", as you say...

Would making a law stating that all one has to do is CLAIM they are Trans, and adding the ability to use showers and locker rooms....going to.

A) Increase the number of incidents and risk

or

B) Decrease them????


Neither.

This option already exists and has existed ever since woman's clothing was invented.

The main fallacy your arguement has is that it will be legal to rape woman in bathrooms.

Guess what it won't. All the sex offenders can currently do what ever your claiming.

And if your sending kids off to dark hidden bathrooms where no one is around or using the bathroom then shame in you.

Pervs can currently dress as females and or males and go in bathrooms.

Let me ask you this.

Because priests, Rabbi's, parishioners, child care workers have higher rates of sex offenders should we get rid off churches and daycares?

Statistically speaking kids have the highest chance of being sexually assaulted by those people.

If you look at the rape stats. It ain't bathrooms and you usually know the person.


When the incidence of child porn, by way of videos and photos....bathroom stalkings....and even physical molestation increase..

May I refer back here to your post?



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:11 AM
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originally posted by: PeterH
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

There is nothing being passed to protect you.

Nothing.

If it is being passed, that means you are less protected. That is so obvious it makes me wonder why I even answered this.

It will break down the moral fabric of society even more. And make perverts and sexual abusers imagine they are normal, and good.

Many of them are involved with the process of taking away your morality.

We are not fool.s


What morality? This society was set up by enlightenment era philosophy. Something at odds with modern American Christianity. Luckily our forefathers were also cynical about these "morals" and did a lot to damp down superstition. Well look at the states passing these laws. They coincide with the worst educated areas and poverty.

It's easy to make a boogey man for poor uneducated people.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: luthier
Nice hit piece op. To bad your sources re using information from 30 years ago for the main premise of your theory, which ignores modern neuroscience And psychology.

I have seen every arguement at this point from all the people so afraid to acknowledge that people exist they re uncomfortable with.

The other glaring error here is that old stat from 1999 of the percent of woman sex offenders. It's well known people don't report woman sex offenses and researchers have had issues with this for a long time. Only 30 percent of people abused report abuse. It's far less than that (5 percent) for people who have been abused by woman.

You do know that there are sex offenders right now using bathrooms correct? Convicted sex offenders ? Gay or strait. So your safehaven in the bathroom has a far more sinister situation.

I could also right a piece about why womn shouldn't vote for have bank accounts and use dated information to back that up.

The problem is the persecution of transgender people. Your op continues that trend wonderfully.



Question for you, if there are "sex offenders using bathrooms now", as you say...

Would making a law stating that all one has to do is CLAIM they are Trans, and adding the ability to use showers and locker rooms....going to.

A) Increase the number of incidents and risk

or

B) Decrease them????


Neither.

This option already exists and has existed ever since woman's clothing was invented.

The main fallacy your arguement has is that it will be legal to rape woman in bathrooms.

Guess what it won't. All the sex offenders can currently do what ever your claiming.

And if your sending kids off to dark hidden bathrooms where no one is around or using the bathroom then shame in you.

Pervs can currently dress as females and or males and go in bathrooms.

Let me ask you this.

Because priests, Rabbi's, parishioners, child care workers have higher rates of sex offenders should we get rid off churches and daycares?

Statistically speaking kids have the highest chance of being sexually assaulted by those people.

If you look at the rape stats. It ain't bathrooms and you usually know the person.


When the incidence of child porn, by way of videos and photos....bathroom stalkings....and even physical molestation increase..

May I refer back here to your post?



Sure. But it won't happen. Nor has it.

I think you need to refer to Freud here as to why your having these rape fantasies completely unfounded by any data.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: luthier
Nice hit piece op. To bad your sources re using information from 30 years ago for the main premise of your theory, which ignores modern neuroscience And psychology.

I have seen every arguement at this point from all the people so afraid to acknowledge that people exist they re uncomfortable with.

The other glaring error here is that old stat from 1999 of the percent of woman sex offenders. It's well known people don't report woman sex offenses and researchers have had issues with this for a long time. Only 30 percent of people abused report abuse. It's far less than that (5 percent) for people who have been abused by woman.

You do know that there are sex offenders right now using bathrooms correct? Convicted sex offenders ? Gay or strait. So your safehaven in the bathroom has a far more sinister situation.

I could also right a piece about why womn shouldn't vote for have bank accounts and use dated information to back that up.

The problem is the persecution of transgender people. Your op continues that trend wonderfully.



Question for you, if there are "sex offenders using bathrooms now", as you say...

Would making a law stating that all one has to do is CLAIM they are Trans, and adding the ability to use showers and locker rooms....going to.

A) Increase the number of incidents and risk

or

B) Decrease them????


Neither.

This option already exists and has existed ever since woman's clothing was invented.

The main fallacy your arguement has is that it will be legal to rape woman in bathrooms.

Guess what it won't. All the sex offenders can currently do what ever your claiming.

And if your sending kids off to dark hidden bathrooms where no one is around or using the bathroom then shame in you.

Pervs can currently dress as females and or males and go in bathrooms.

Let me ask you this.

Because priests, Rabbi's, parishioners, child care workers have higher rates of sex offenders should we get rid off churches and daycares?

Statistically speaking kids have the highest chance of being sexually assaulted by those people.

If you look at the rape stats. It ain't bathrooms and you usually know the person.


When the incidence of child porn, by way of videos and photos....bathroom stalkings....and even physical molestation increase..

May I refer back here to your post?



Sure. But it won't happen. Nor has it.

I think you need to refer to Freud here as to why your having these rape fantasies completely unfounded by any data.


Oh I see, you smear me by claiming I'M the one having "rape fantasies".

are you calling me a child rapist? Is that your argument?
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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: PeterH
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

There is nothing being passed to protect you.

Nothing.

If it is being passed, that means you are less protected. That is so obvious it makes me wonder why I even answered this.

It will break down the moral fabric of society even more. And make perverts and sexual abusers imagine they are normal, and good.

Many of them are involved with the process of taking away your morality.

We are not fool.s


What morality? This society was set up by enlightenment era philosophy. Something at odds with modern American Christianity. Luckily our forefathers were also cynical about these "morals" and did a lot to damp down superstition. Well look at the states passing these laws. They coincide with the worst educated areas and poverty.

It's easy to make a boogey man for poor uneducated people.


I realize that you question morality and what it is. I know that many abusers hope and wish there is no morality. And even hope that those who are moral and chaste are the perverts, and that they in their disgusting acts of vile badness are good. They wish that excrement is candy, and that good is a crime.

Is that not what you are saying?

I will repeat here what I stated on another thread about this issue:

When I was a kid we had a weird neighbor at the end of the block. We lived at the edge of town, and the end of the block went into a field and then some woods. And he had a large plot of land with a huge junkyard in the back.

He wore shabby clothes with a big mustache and beard and long matted hair, as if he didn't bath regally, and he usually stank too, when I would come across him. Of booze, cigarettes, and armpit.

I don't know why I remember the conversation but it came to mind. I remember being near him and a tree near the field at the end of the road and he was talking about the Bible.

He talked about how it was all nonsense and morality and Godly standards were a lie.

That mankind came from the animals and we are animals. And there is nothing wrong to have animal desires. He said, you know, the dogs they go around and BLEEP whatever dog they want.

He said. Humans are the same way. There is nothing wrong with me grabbing anyone I wanted and BLEEPING them, whenever I wanted to.

And the animals do it out in the open. He said there should be no problem with people going around grabbing whomever they wanted and BLEEPING them in public in front of other people. Because we are animalistic by nature, and that it was just normal.

And that people who tried to force morality upon us are evil and screwed up.

He told me one day society would see the things the way he did.

He was a creepy man. I forgot about him until reading this thread.

He said there is no such thing as rape and that everyone likes sex. And if you grab someone, whomever it is you wanted and wanted to BLEEP them that it was normal and that other person would like it as well. As we are all just animals.

He said we should all be walking around naked. And he almost started to pull out his bits and pieces but at that point I took off running home.



Your questions sound an awful like this. There were people around with no morality when I was a kid, like him. Who hated everything about morality. And there is no doubt more today, such as yourself.

It doesn't surprise me. Nor does it shame you.

Soon I will be arrested and murdered for having morality. While you are let lose to rape and abuse all of the innocent children you wish.

When you get what you wish, this world will be such a hell-hole that no reasonable person will want to continue to exist.

Those who criticize religion for its hypocrites, which it has a lot of, are hypocrites themselves. For they in their minds wish to perpetrate much more badness upon us than those religious bad guys.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ten states have added protections for transgendered people to use the bathroom they identify with, some as early as 2001 and none of them have seen an increase of sexual assault in bathrooms.




posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ten states have added protections for transgendered people to use the bathroom they identify with, some as early as 2001 and none of them have seen an increase of sexual assault in bathrooms.



1) Wait till it's nationalized

2) photos and video in the hands of pervs on the Dark Web cant be traced properly to begin with.

3) the margin of error is probably higher than the study group itself....ZERO POINT THREE PERCENT.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973



Transvestites are more likely to be the problem there to be completely honest. And I've spoken to a few, what runs through their minds is too dirty for this thread......


This right here I absolutely agree with. My girlfriends and I have discussed this before and how we do not really like the cross dressers. They dress tacky and/or skanky, don't always shave places that women shave and worst of all will grope all over us if we let them. Quite frankly they embarrass us and gross us out but unfortunately we have to deal with their presence as they often frequent the same establishments we do.

I would definitely say that if anyone were the culprit of inappropriate advances or behavior it would be CD's. I have a girlfriend who is Transitioning on the way out of the military and policy hasn't officially changed yet so she has to keep here hair within male regs. For some reason she has this hangup about wearing a wig, she says it makes her feel like two different people and she does not like that, she wants one consistent identity. I have expressed to her that this makes me uncomfortable when we are in public because it brings attention to not only her but me as well. People are quick to stare at the person with short hair wearing female clothes and subsequently look me up and down too no matter how presentable I may be. I take great pride in passing and being as natural looking as any female so it bothers me when someone else's appearance causes me to catch those same confused looks.

I'm actually not that popular in my local T community because I typically do not associate with the CD's or older gals so I come off as a bitc* and perhaps a little bit stuck up. I'm sorry but I like age appropriate friends who present well and carry themselves 100% as ladies. I have also had problems with CD's hitting on me which get promptly shut down as I like men and men only. I also highly disapprove of the closet CD's that are secretly dressing up and going out while hiding it form their wives. I have absolutely no respect for them and find them to be disgusting.

So for anyone that wants honest perspective based in personal experience in the Trans community here it is and I assure you I am not the only person that feels this way towards the creepy part timers.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: PeterH

Apparently your unaware of a subject called ethics. It falls under philosophy. Thats an academic disciplines older than Christianity. In that discipline you debate and consider morality based in reason. In religion you do it because it says so in many cases without the dialogue and without thought. Some religions are better than others at giving methodology but most of these southern states (I live in) have a lowbrow version of Christianity. Most people I bring up say Aquinas, Anselm, Basil etc have no idea what I am talking about.



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