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originally posted by: Morrad
The last time I can remember seeing such opinionated bollox
You are dismissing opposing opinions as 'bollox' without offering anything real to support your claim. Please do tell, without using speculation or sophistry, how the EU system of governance is democratic and beneficial. I have been searching for several months and I cannot find anything to support this.
Don't get me wrong, democracy has to be seen to be enacted, to be seen as if it matters, because obviously, some people can't accept that it is nothing more than a charade. So, June 23rd, Britain will go to the voting booths and play the ritual of democracy. That is all they will be allowed to do, to play out the ritual, and walk away thinking democracy is alive and well in Britain.
The European Union Referendum Act 2015 only provides for holding a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU: it does not provide that the government is legally obliged to take action on whatever the public decides
originally posted by: Morrad
Dr Lars Mosesson, Buckinghamshire New University says the government does not have to implement a Brexit vote.
Well, they got what they wanted, didn't they?
If we are going to be denied democracy then I can't really see an alternative, can you?
I'm not for a minute suggesting it is my favoured option, but push folks enough and they'll act in the only way left to them.
EU has more gold then US, the point with BREXIT is to reduce EUs gold reserve and weaken EU.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: uncommitted
The point I initially tried to make was that so far we have seen the government spend an extra 9 million supporting remain, then every government department has been tasked with producing reports emphasising the possible downsides of leaving while downplaying if not outright ignoring the downsides of staying.
The bbc was found to have illegally taken ads for remain but not leave, you can't log into a gov.uk site without being faced with the same propaganda.
That's already a fix, but to go further, in just one constituency in the GE serious allegations were made and so far not been satisfactorily answered about missing ballot boxes and a rigged postal voting system.
If I truly do think that vested interests are denying me my right to self determination then why wouldn't I support a group that sought to right that wrong?
You'll note I mentioned putting money in a tin, rather than actually blowing stuff up. I'm quite well rounded really, but I can sure see how this will all go down in a few years and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the formation of such a group, would you? Really?
originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: SprocketUK
Yes, the Remain camp have been using every trick in the book to give an unbalanced and biased viewpoint.....but Mama Cass ain't singing yet.
I think this is a #ing joke , every single person who wanted us to stay in the United kingdom is now screaming to leave the EU
.... if we leave we will still have the tories in power #ing us hard in the ass , if we remain in the EU at least we stand the chance of a reach around
True in a sense but if you look for the true borders you will find them in the languages .Even among the different tribes of the Algonquin"s they were bordered usually by rivers or spaces between them . I guess that is why the ME has big problems with the borders that were drawn up for them by the Europeans because it cut right through tribes and even families ....
They made the maps with all the boarders. The Earth doesn't have any boarders (lines) when seen from space.
originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: SprocketUK
UK MEPs have 12 - 13% of votes, slightly lower than Germany that has 16%. That actually gives us quite a strong hand in determining a vote, but of course not on our own - and I'm glad of that. The whole point of a union is that everyone has a view and opinion. If we cannot influence the opinion, if we are markedly at odds with every other party then maybe, just maybe, we are the ones in the wrong - it happens. I'm not asking you to buy the point. You stated that we never won a vote, statistics say we were part of the winning vote 86.7 % of the time.
That link from the Independent you provided? It's not from Thanet, it's from Hilltop, Eastwood, which is approximately 3 miles from where I am sitting as I type this. It's for a council election, the ballot boxes were allegedly mislaid and after opening and counting actually did nothing other than increase the amount of winning votes for the Labour councillor - are you sure you posted the right link?
Please don't keep trying to justify your comments about financing a terrorist group, let it go, you've made your opinion plain, I've given my opinion back. Let's leave that one at that........... although if (when?) the IRA should next carry out an attack I reserve the right to ask you if you are happy about it.
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
I guess that is why the ME has big problems with the borders that were drawn up for them by the Europeans because it cut right through tribes and even families ....