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Pentagon Official: Reporters Who Believe the Government Are Stupid

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posted on May, 22 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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In 1965, Safer was sent to Vietnam by CBS to cover the escalating U.S. war there. That August he filed a famous report showing American soldiers burning down a Vietnamese village with Zippo lighters and flamethrowers as children and elderly women and men cowered nearby.

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Safer's Report: Link

Since 1970, Morley Safer has worked for CBS and acted as a correspondent for the 60 Minutes show. After visiting Vietnam, Safer was confronted with conflicting reports of information, making it hard to accurately portray what Americans back home expected see after being subjected to their own American propaganda channels.

In 1966, Safer wrote an explosive newspaper column about his visit to Saigon which involved interviewing the head of all U.S. military PR, Mr. Arthur Sylvester, assistant secretary of defense for public affairs.



Full Column: Link

Sylvester himself arranged for these meetings and did so with many U.S. media outlets. Safer had described his time with Sylvester as someone who seemed “anxious to take a stand – to say something that would jar us.”


In the first B-52 raids, Pentagon releases were in direct contradiction to what had actually happened on the ground in Viet Nam.

Well, maybe not many on ATS, but those at the time had only what the media portrayed. They would not know to question their sources unless brave journalists came forth with less and less condescending media. A true portrayal of war…


Moreover, Sylvester absolutely meant what he said. By the time he met with the journalists in Saigon he’d already told some of the key U.S. government lies about the Cuban missile crisis and the Gulf of Tonkin.

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After brushing aside Safer’s initial opening questions, Sylvester began to display his arrogance. What he says next just goes to show you that most media outlets are nothing more than propaganda mouthpieces to support or deny an agenda, whether they know it or not.


“I can’t understand how you fellows can write what you do while American boys are dying out here,” he began.

Then he went on to the effect that American correspondents had a patriotic duty to disseminate only information that made the United States look good.

A network television correspondent said, “Surely, Arthur, you don’t expect the American press to be the handmaidens of government.”

“That’s exactly what I expect,” came the reply.

An agency man raised the problem that had preoccupied Ambassador Maxwell Taylor and [U.S. spokesman] Barry Zorthian — about the credibility of American officials. Responded the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs:

“Look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you’re stupid. Did you hear that? — stupid.”

One of the most respected of all the newsmen in Vietnam — a veteran of World War II, the Indochina War and Korea — suggested that Sylvester was being deliberately provocative. Sylvester replied:

“Look, I don’t even have to talk to you people. I know how to deal with you through your editors and publishers back in the States.”

At this point, the Hon. Arthur Sylvester put his thumbs in his ears, bulged his eyes, stuck out his tongue and wiggled his fingers.

After writing the column, it was entered into the Congressional Record giving rise to Durward Hall, a Republican representative from Missouri, who began calling for Sylvester to resign.

This drew much criticism towards Safer and at one point, the Pentagon told CBS executives that if Safer wasn’t removed from the country, “he’s liable to end up with a bullet in his back.”


But in the 50 years since, from essentially everything the Nixon administration said about Vietnam, to the Reagan administration’s claims justifying the invasion of Grenada, to the George H.W. Bush administration justifying the Gulf War because Iraqi forces were massed on the border of Saudi Arabia, to the Clinton administration’s wild exaggerations about Serbian violence in Kosovo, to essentially everything the Bush administration said about Iraq, to Obama’s Director of National Intelligence James Clapper denying the National Security Agency gathers data on millions of Americans, most of the U.S. media has been, as Sylvester put it, “stupid.”

You would be foolish to think that this form of deception hasn’t continued. The latest methods are less obvious and the masses have become easier to soothe with various forms of entertainment. Disinformation and propaganda pose a great risk to our understanding and how we react towards one another. We need to take control.


Department of Defense: Law of War Manual


According to the manual, the “law of war” (i.e., the law of war according to the Pentagon) supersedes international human rights treaties as well as the US Constitution.

The manual authorizes the killing of civilians during armed conflict and establishes a framework for mass military detentions. Journalists, according to the manual, can be censored and punished as spies on the say-so of military officials. The manual freely discusses the use of nuclear weapons, and it does not prohibit napalm, depleted uranium munitions, cluster bombs or other indiscriminate weapons.

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Many are waking up, but their new found “rage against the machine” must be honed into honorable attempts at unifying for a single cause instead of pitting their own beliefs against each others. The dam is about to break as history repeats itself. You can count on that no matter who gets elected…


“US capitalism is up against the same problems that pushed Germany in 1914 on the path of war. The world is divided? It must be redivided. For Germany it was a question of ‘organizing Europe.’ The United States must ‘organize’ the world. History is bringing humanity face to face with the volcanic eruption of American imperialism.” This was written by the founder of the Fourth International, Leon Trotsky, in 1934.

Lets give them what they want. Lets organize and fight the real enemy.

Destroy their propaganda and rebuild yourself.

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posted on May, 22 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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But how much is stupidity, and how much is complicity?

We know there are things that should have been reported on that weren't because they didn't fit the narrative.

So between the pressure that government exerts and the the desire to cover when it suits the agenda and the personal biases of the newsmen, where does that leave us?



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko


So between the pressure that government exerts and the the desire to cover when it suits the agenda and the personal biases of the newsmen, where does that leave us?


All the useless infighting needs to stop.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: eisegesis

Absolutely indeed.

"THE COMING GREAT DECEPTION" is being prepped for in a full court press.

The Eloi/sheeple are already well deceived many layers deep.

Many seem to have already been practicing the

"Morlach Dance Shuffle"

to learn how to shuffle in-step into the cauldrons of the Morlachs.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN

Dont you think as soon as you climb down in a rabbit hole you get lost`?



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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Not to be negative for the sake of it, but not gonna happen. By the time "we the people" figure out what's really going on, it will be too late. Right now we're just being sheared, by then we will be led to the slaughter. I hate too see it, but you said it yourself. History is repeating...

S&F for a good thread!
edit on 5/22/2016 by Klassified because: s&f

edit on 5/22/2016 by Klassified because: spelling



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 03:00 PM
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“I can’t understand how you fellows can write what you do while American boys are dying out here,” he began.

Then he went on to the effect that American correspondents had a patriotic duty to disseminate only information that made the United States look good.

A network television correspondent said, “Surely, Arthur, you don’t expect the American press to be the handmaidens of government.”

“That’s exactly what I expect,” came the reply.

Which is pretty much how it is today.

When is the last time that anyone in the MSM (if ever) said that American leaders should be put on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity for a string of non-stop immoral wars of aggression from South Korea to Libya.

Today, "journalists" actually attack other journalists.

When Lara Logan said that it was safe to travel freely in Iraq under Saddam, this Fox minion almost lost it.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
But how much is stupidity, and how much is complicity?

We know there are things that should have been reported on that weren't because they didn't fit the narrative.

So between the pressure that government exerts and the the desire to cover when it suits the agenda and the personal biases of the newsmen, where does that leave us?


No matter how you try dressing it up, lying is lying, withholding the truth is withholding the truth.

Just further evidence that control of the media is key. We learned a lot from Nazi Germany, some of it was taken on board by our overlords.

As you state though, lots of influence on what we actually get to hear.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
But how much is stupidity, and how much is complicity?


It's entirely complicity.

This makes it sound like the media is a victim to a lying government. BS!



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
But how much is stupidity, and how much is complicity?

We know there are things that should have been reported on that weren't because they didn't fit the narrative.

So between the pressure that government exerts and the the desire to cover when it suits the agenda and the personal biases of the newsmen, where does that leave us?


That's always those parts you don't hear and see about until many years later. In the meantime it's, "Tell me anything, I'll believe you"

Even that war in Vietnam was based on a 'mistruth' when Johnson and McNamara talked in tongues to each other.

What gets me though, is there was no lack of footage from Vietnam, so much was seen in Europe, but what gets me even more was the failure after several years of the building up of the strategic hamlet plan that was supposed to protect those peasants.
Thing is, what doesn't seem to be clear in the pictures of the burning of those villages, or rather that village, is that it could well have been a new village, built and financed with American and French money, those villagers could have already been relocated to there from their own villages that were then burnt down by South Vietnam military.
So often then, the Vietcong then overrun the few local soldiers protecting those villages, so once again, another army the Americans this time, comes along and burns them out once again after originally being told they would be protected against the communist Vietcong. After that, it's not hard to see that the Vietnam war was doomed to catastrophic failure.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: Olifat
a reply to: BO XIAN

Dont you think as soon as you climb down in a rabbit hole you get lost`?



Most likely . . . unless . . . you have a reliable and operant connection to SomeOne who transcends the rabbit hole with exhaustive knowledge of the rabbit hole AND the larger reality.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: Klassified
Not to be negative for the sake of it, but not gonna happen. By the time "we the people" figure out what's really going on, it will be too late. Right now we're just being sheared, by then we will be led to the slaughter. I hate too see it, but you said it yourself. History is repeating...

S&F for a good thread!


Very well put.

Sheeple led to the slaughter . . . the Eloi shuffling off to the cauldrons of the Morlachs . . . 'reptilians' dining on humans . . .

what's metaphor . . . and what's a fair description of looming 'reality?'



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 09:47 PM
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Somewhat laughable: the difference between what a zippo lighter does compared to a napalm strike.

The GIs in the field knew full well who was giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Their officers knew too, which is why there was no full-scale intervention.

The only problem from my perspective was the PC narrative from M. Safer. Eff him.

S&F for a great thread.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: Snarl

It wasn't just M Safer . . . the oligarchy was hoping--as SECDEF McNamara later noted--to kill far more Americans than the "mere 50,000" they succeeded in killing. GRRRR They plan to do far better in WWIII at their DEPOPULATION efforts.

I believe the researchers that assert that the oligarchy has planned, set-up and lit off ALL the wars--including the French Revolution--and all those since. . . . all moving the geopolitical chess game and landscape toward their coveted tyrannical one world government.



posted on May, 27 2016 @ 12:03 PM
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The only problem from my perspective was the PC narrative from M. Safer. Eff him.


Being against killing innocent people is a P.C. narrative? No the problem is that there are so many completely immoral people like you in this world.



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