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The scandal in Washington no one is talking about (Fast/Furious was about gun control)

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posted on May, 22 2016 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Obama has been the biggest gun seller in american history, since hes been president americans have bought millions of guns.

But yea hes coming for your guns lol.

Fast and furious was a very very dumb thing for the government to try, not the first time and wont be the last.



Not with that being his intention. He has made his intentions very clear, and it is not to sell more guns. If you think that, I have a bridge I'll sell you cheap.

And since F&F was very dumb of him as admitted by all, then he can be expected to do other dumb things which end up sharing a common theme: They backfire and do the opposite of what his intentions were, like his actions causing people to go out and buy mass guns.
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posted on May, 22 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
Rifles ... 'reach out and touch someone' ...

My 'negotiation' rifle will send a round through the front door and the first layer of level IV body armor. And any respectable hunting cartridge will defeat commonly worn body armor. Hell ... I've seen an AK-47 round knock an armored soldier to the ground like he was hit by an elephant.

I can't think of a pistol round that hits like decent rifle ammo.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 11:28 PM
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Yeah, Obama is the enemy within.

It is very clear that fractions of our government have spit on their oath of office and decided being Tyrannical is better for their pocketbook.

Fast and furious is disgusting and so is the department of Justice that went alone with it. political criminals doing as they please.

I hope everyone of these traitors are exposed and prosecuted for their actions and participation in Fast & Furious.

They are all scums all of them that were involved.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 01:29 AM
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I read this earlier today and well not too big a surprise.
The fact this story has been buried so long is very telling about the administration. And no for the haters this is not some fantasy. When the administration makes such a effort to try and hide what has happened, with the dept in question run by a appointee running a agenda and when they try and invoke executive privilege over a matter that should not even be under the presidents purview. Sure looks like a problem. I remember how the pistol of a BATF member was used to kill a Mexican beauty queen some years ago and that story just disappeared.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: neo96

You're talking about a country with 50 percent of the population still believing in a white jesus and Father figure in the clouds that'll reward them for being good after they die.

No Good Ol Boy gets impeached unless it's politically profitable. Besides, if American were smart and wanted real change Hillary would've been hung long ago, along with pretty much every other candidate.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 07:10 AM
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a reply to: Flesh699

Clinton as impeached.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969



How many guns where banned, zero, but yea those evil commies are comming for your guns.

I have posted a link in this thread from CBS News that the plan was to use the Fast and Furious operation to push for new gun laws.
The Clinton Administration was able to pass an 'assault weapons' ban back in the day.
Luckily there was a sunset clause, but Hillary has derided the Congress for not continuing the ban. She made a speech where she was not bashful about her plans to get more gun control passed.

They won't pass 'take all of your guns' legislation overnight.... it a ' boil the frog slowly' campaign.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Again, I'm disgusted. How do we hit the reset button (ctrl alt delete) and clean up our government? ...and even more, delusional of me, hoping that we can have a non-violent change....

Too many times our leaders (of both parties) forget the law and treat the globe as an international game (mostly played in secret). They keep trying to rig it in our favor; forgetting things such as law, and human rights.... and again and again we create the next war and the next generation of enemies.

Iran-Contra Affair

The Iran-Contra Affair was a clandestine action not approved of by the United States Congress. It began in 1985, when President Ronald Reagan's administration supplied weapons to Iran¹ — a sworn enemy — in hopes of securing the release of American hostages held in Lebanon by Hezbollah terrorists loyal to the Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran's leader. This article is rooted in the Iran Hostage Crisis.

Reagan testifies
The U.S. took millions of dollars from the weapons sale and routed them and guns to the right-wing "Contra"² guerrillas in Nicaragua. The Contras were the armed opponents of Nicaragua's Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction, following the July 1979 overthrow of strongman Anastasio Somoza Debayle and the ending of the Somoza family's 43-year reign.

www.u-s-history.com...

www.newyorker.com...
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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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Man, all you deniers need to pull your head out of the sand. (or maybe you're secretly cheering for the death of the 2nd?) The following may only be from California, but can you not see this is symptomatic of the larger push for further restrictions on gun ownership? Now the really screwed up thing about the majority of the following bills listed is that they were initially submitted as something completely different and later amended and completely re-written as gun control legislation. Tell me again how these are not attempts to subvert 2nd Amendment Rights?

Look at the following bills coming out of California at the moment:

www.firearmspolicy.org...

The ten gun control bills that were passed out of the Senate today are:

SB 880 (Hall): Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices.
SB 894 (Jackson): Victimizes victims by criminalizing the failure to report lost and stolen firearms.
SB 1006 (Wolk): University of California taxpayer funding for gun control research.
SB 1235 (Deleon): Restrictions on ammunition purchases, creates a DOJ database of ammunition owners.
SB 1407 (Deleon): Retroactively requires serial numbers be placed on firearms dating back over 50 years.
SB 1446: Confiscation of lawfully acquired, standard capacity magazines that can hold over 10 rounds.
AB 156 (McCarty): Formerly dealt with global warming, but is now the same as SB 1235.
AB 857 (Cooper): Formerly addressed greenhouse gasses, but is now the same as SB 1407.
AB 1135 (Levine): Formerly centered around groundwater but is now the same as SB 880.
AB 1511 (Santiago): Formerly dealt with energy conservation, but now criminalizes loaning of firearms between personally known, law-abiding adults, including sportsmen, family member and competitors.


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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Another lousy issue I see to this debacle - The Obama Administration is no better than Trump by using our southern neighbors as a bogey man! Oh those scary Mexicans. Pretty stupid foreign policy to keep insulting the citizens with whom we share an immediate (and permeable) border. Geez.

NAFTA was a farce and a failure --- U.S. companies sent manufacturing to China, while the Mexican economy slid and the drug business grew. China exploded in world economic, industrial, & military strength. We would have had fewer illegal immigrants/desperate people coming north if they had decent jobs at home. And now there are complaints when a U.S. company sends manufacturing to Mexico. Another missed opportunity.

...and so it goes --- This stupid play to use guns and border problems to manipulate public opinion - may it all come to light.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

I was watching a back and forth between Cruz and Feinstein over gun legislation and an attempt to ban more guns. Feinstein's response was Americans still have access to over 2,000+ types so banning some wont affect anything.

Using her logic it would be ok to ban the Washington Post since we still have the New York Times and USA Today.




posted on May, 23 2016 @ 11:29 AM
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How long do you think Chapo will live once he tells how he cooperated with the feds?



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: SeaYote
a reply to: butcherguy

Another lousy issue I see to this debacle - The Obama Administration is no better than Trump by using our southern neighbors as a bogey man! Oh those scary Mexicans. Pretty stupid foreign policy to keep insulting the citizens with whom we share an immediate (and permeable) border. Geez.

NAFTA was a farce and a failure --- U.S. companies sent manufacturing to China, while the Mexican economy slid and the drug business grew. China exploded in world economic, industrial, & military strength. We would have had fewer illegal immigrants/desperate people coming north if they had decent jobs at home. And now there are complaints when a U.S. company sends manufacturing to Mexico. Another missed opportunity.

...and so it goes --- This stupid play to use guns and border problems to manipulate public opinion - may it all come to light.


At the time that Fast and Furious was happening, both President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton were playing the US as the bad guys!
They told the the Mexican government that we Americans needed to pass gun control measures to stop the flow of US guns into Mexico.
As if the Mexicans couldn't ever find guns anywhere else.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




I was watching a back and forth between Cruz and Feinstein over gun legislation and an attempt to ban more guns. Feinstein's response was Americans still have access to over 2,000+ types so banning some wont affect anything.


I absolutely can't stand that woman.

So much for the 2nd,and 9th, and 14th amendments.



Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


www.law.cornell.edu...

The RIGHT of the states to have militias'.

The RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms there was no specific type implied there.

Shall not be infringed.



Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
'

www.law.cornell.edu...

Deny and Disparage mean the same thing as infringed.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


www.law.cornell.edu...

There is no legal 'authority' for gun control.

It was specfically verboten under the Bill of Rights, and the 14th.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Do Obama, Hillary and a vast majority of Democrats support an assault weapons ban?


How many guns where banned, zero, but yea those evil commies are comming for your guns.


Obama and hillary pander to there voters, just like you get to cry about people coming for your guns, thats how the gop gets your vote lol.

Yeah...your right. That and our government illegally selling guns to Mexican, drug running criminals in hopes to subvert the Constitution of the United States of America because they support a dictatorship, socialism and in Obama's case...radical Islam.

But yeah...I guess it is just our little guns we care about


Your funny, obama behing a socialist, and you didint forget to add muslims lol.

Stop watching fox news, your brain will thank you.



Exactly what part of what I posted can you prove to be untrue? I'd really like to know unless you're just blowing smoke. Prove your point so we all know your not full of it. Unless, of course...you can't.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: SeaYote
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Again, I'm disgusted. How do we hit the reset button (ctrl alt delete) and clean up our government? ...and even more, delusional of me, hoping that we can have a non-violent change....

Too many times our leaders (of both parties) forget the law and treat the globe as an international game (mostly played in secret). They keep trying to rig it in our favor; forgetting things such as law, and human rights.... and again and again we create the next war and the next generation of enemies.

Iran-Contra Affair

The Iran-Contra Affair was a clandestine action not approved of by the United States Congress. It began in 1985, when President Ronald Reagan's administration supplied weapons to Iran¹ — a sworn enemy — in hopes of securing the release of American hostages held in Lebanon by Hezbollah terrorists loyal to the Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran's leader. This article is rooted in the Iran Hostage Crisis.

Reagan testifies
The U.S. took millions of dollars from the weapons sale and routed them and guns to the right-wing "Contra"² guerrillas in Nicaragua. The Contras were the armed opponents of Nicaragua's Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction, following the July 1979 overthrow of strongman Anastasio Somoza Debayle and the ending of the Somoza family's 43-year reign.

www.u-s-history.com...

www.newyorker.com...

I'm not really sure I see your point. Those events were wrong but were to help the USA's position, etc. Obama's actions were specifically to rob the people of the USA of their rights. That is a big fricken difference!!!!

As far as the government. Remember that the only thing the government does is consume. It is a taker...a whore. It takes money, rights, freedom, power, etc. and then either keeps and uses it, or transfers it to others (sometime a specific group of citizens) to gain their bought-and-paid-for support...thus gaining power. So far, this administration thinks they have the illegals, blacks, many Hispanics and the gay/trans-gendered all locked up. They bought their votes with yours and my money, etc. So the only way to destroy that type of beast is to starve it to death. Easier said than done...but if we all simply stopped "doing business" with the government, it would be gone quickly.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

My point is broader than I stated --- Our Government is actually no longer a representative democracy - it is a corporate-ocracy -- I agree with you - our politicians have prostituted themselves for crumbs of power - stupid fools. Iran-Contra was not for the benefit of protecting U.S. citizens (sure it was tied to freeing some Americans), but it was a cluster f@ to which millions of dollars were wasted.

Flip through the history pages of the 20th & 21st century -- (as if such a real history book existed) - check out all the regime changes our Government has had mitts in on --- behind it is some company, making contributions/influence peddling to some politician at the the highest levels, for their own profit. And in this non-existent but truthful history book are chapters about the illegal actions this Government has taken against its own citizens. Exposing U.S. soldiers to radiation, subjecting citizens, without their knowledge, to diseases, subjecting the entire population to unsafe levels of all sorts of poisons while protecting corporations from any culpability.

Meanwhile any attempts to thwart those companies gets played out and politicized ---we're all tools to the machine --- Fox News vs CNN vs Huffpost vs Drudge ---- as long as left right and center are squabbling there is no organized opposition to stand up and put a stop to the beast. Would they like to disarm the population? Darn right! But can they? Heck no.

Side note: my teenager and I watched the 1927 sci-fi movie "Metropolis" -- in it the citizens are enslaved to "Moloch" --- mindless machine run a by a greedy leader building a city to his own ego --- we talked about how that parallels things today ...also Moloch was the evil force in Ginsberg's poem "Howl" --- Encyclopedia Britannica states: "Moloch, also spelled Molech, a Canaanite deity associated in biblical sources with the practice of child sacrifice" ---- So I'll just call today's corporatocracy "Moloch"
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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: SeaYote

I don't disagree and have yet to see Metropolis...but have meant to. At times, the whole thing seems like a "soap opera" simply in place to keep the attention of the viewers and sell them on a "product". So yes...FOX and MSNBC, the left and the right, etc. could easily all be equal actors being paid the same by the same boss. Taken to the extreme...it is very Matrix-like but without the virtual reality aspect.

But regardless...its gotta go. We could all be so much more, if only given the chance. Which is likely what they are afraid of.
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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I absolutely agree with you - we are capable of so much better.

It is a soap opera! and a struggle to sort through fact, fiction, and paranoia --- yet somehow remain optimistic.

Our challenge is to come up with rational solutions (I don't want a bloody revolution in our country - Gandhi and MLK knew that non-violent opposition works) --- the goon squad would love a chance to put down riots with martial law (and have an excuse to take away guns).

As individuals we have to find ways to stay empowered enough to act in little ways daily, don't be afraid to say that the emperor is buck naked, and to connect up with others in big ways. This is where I believe social media can be of service ...once we get over all the kitten videos - therein lies the trap, all the distractions! Also, I don't think it's paranoid thinking, to consider that attempts to organize against ole Moloch using just social media would be met with an army of trolls. Perhaps using forums such as ATS, Facebook, Reddit, etc., can be connecting points that lead to positive change.

I certainly appreciate the ideas, different points of view, and information being shared here, at ATS. This alone, gives me hope -- we are not done for yet.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Obama has been the biggest gun seller in american history, since hes been president americans have bought millions of guns.

But yea hes coming for your guns lol.

Fast and furious was a very very dumb thing for the government to try, not the first time and wont be the last.



Not with that being his intention. He has made his intentions very clear, and it is not to sell more guns. If you think that, I have a bridge I'll sell you cheap.

And since F&F was very dumb of him as admitted by all, then he can be expected to do other dumb things which end up sharing a common theme: They backfire and do the opposite of what his intentions were, like his actions causing people to go out and buy mass guns.


I must have missed where is said obama wanted to sell more guns, lol at obamas actions forcing the poor american to purchase more guns, you fell for the fear and now your making excuses so your side dosent look so dumb.

I love it when people blame obama and play the victim, its so new.



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