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Proof that logically God cannot be omnipotent..

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posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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To quote the only good line in batman vs. superman...


" if God is all powerful than he cannot be all good, but if God is all good, then he cannot be all powerful."



So could God create a boulder that is to big even for him to lift??

If he can't make a boulder that big, he can't do something..

If there is a boulder too big for him to lift, then he can't do something....


Making it logically impossible for God to be omnipotent..or at least he is less omnipotent than the human imagination...
edit on 21-5-2016 by JoshuaCox because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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That is, um, really really old.

It's been debated for hundreds of years.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Also totally inaccurate. That kind of challenge to God has no merit to it in the first place.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

First you have to prove god is even real.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: Tiamat384

To the masses It can't be proven, and doesn't need to be. But it can be proven to anyone as an individual experience if they are willing to take the necessary steps and seek God in their heart with honesty, humility, and love.

If people can't do that then that means they don't want to have it proven to them and are stating for the record that they have rejected God. That is freedom of choice and freewill.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Also totally inaccurate. That kind of challenge to God has no merit to it in the first place.



Why not?



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: Tiamat384
a reply to: JoshuaCox

First you have to prove god is even real.


I don't think he is...

But I think that is a neat argument against the ability for anything to be omnipotent..God or otherwise...



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: TommyD1966
That is, um, really really old.

It's been debated for hundreds of years.



There is a reason it has been debated for centuries, it's an interesting logic puzzle..



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Tiamat384

To the masses It can't be proven, and doesn't need to be. But it can be proven to anyone as an individual experience if they are willing to take the necessary steps and seek God in their heart with honesty, humility, and love.

If people can't do that then that means they don't want to have it proven to them and are stating for the record that they have rejected God. That is freedom of choice and freewill.




Or that they don't fall for illogical BS...that's always an option...

If God were real shouldn't he be provable???



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I will always reject god. Especially that one. But is it rejection? He is a tale. Nothing else. But each to their own, whatever lulls them into the embrace of death comfortably.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Also totally inaccurate. That kind of challenge to God has no merit to it in the first place.



Why not?


It's a non-sequitur. It has no real value except for a person's immature novelty. It has no real value other than to insult.
Asking God to do something needs virtue and honor and humility and love and forgiveness and sacrifice, not the pompous arrogance that would be displayed by your OP challenge. I am sure that with some serious thought that you or anyone can understand that if you think about it.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

I agree. It could be. Ill watch what people will say. I remember having an interestinf debate with a couple if bible thumpers. From a bible study group. Interesting people.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:03 PM
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well that little hypothesis goes to sh1t when you factor in the idea that god might just be all of us having many experiences through many perspectives. if god is all of us then "he" is omnipotent because thats all he can be.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Tiamat384

To the masses It can't be proven, and doesn't need to be. But it can be proven to anyone as an individual experience if they are willing to take the necessary steps and seek God in their heart with honesty, humility, and love.

If people can't do that then that means they don't want to have it proven to them and are stating for the record that they have rejected God. That is freedom of choice and freewill.






Or that they don't fall for illogical BS...that's always an option...

If God were real shouldn't he be provable???


He is provable and I already showed you how and what to do. I can see you have already decided and don't actually care for him to be proven.
If you want God proven to you it must be on His terms, not your silly method. as I already mentioned.
And if you are already foolish enough to say it is all BS, then why bother posing your ridiculous challenge? You think the almighty is going to come sniveling up to you like you are somehow worthy?
That right there is both sad, stupid, and hilarious all at the same time.
edit on 21-5-2016 by NoCorruptionAllowed because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
So could God create a boulder that is to big even for him to lift??

If he can't make a boulder that big, he can't do something..

If there is a boulder too big for him to lift, then he can't do something...

The question is artificial, because it assumes an artificial definition of "omnipotent".
If we define "omnipotent" as meaning "able to do anything that is logically possible", then the paradox disappears.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:12 PM
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Id doesn’t matter this word game


He could make a boulder that can crush everybody but him



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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To be fair the idea of external creators of reality is in imagination. And in imagination the paradox can be real. All at the same time, concerning the boulder.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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Logical Solution 1: God is everything


So to easily answer this apparent, but illusionary, conundrum all one has to do is to assume God makes a boulder that he as ( lifter A) can’t lift because he makes it so heavy for said lifter.

Logical Solution 2: The question comes in of who he sends to try to lift it.


You don’t expect God to literally do it himself, do you…of course not.


So if he makes a boulder than lifter A cant lift then all he would do is send lifter B which is stronger and thereby easily lifts the boulder.


So this solves the conundrum of God making something he can't lift and at the same time being able to do all things.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Also totally inaccurate. That kind of challenge to God has no merit to it in the first place.



Why not?


I think it's a neat argument too, logically, of course. But it's not a be all and end all proof. It's common for god to be referred to as 'the Architect' by some. It's most likely that god is a scientist, if anything. He created life, but he/she/it wanted to create something outside of its own influence. The ever-old 'free will' argument.

So he creates being driven by evolutionary principles, who have free will. But is it free, if he is all knowing and all powerful? Maybe that's why the multiverse exists. He first had to create a universe that has every possible option, every possible outcome, to truly test free will, or in other words, a science experiment to see if he/she/it could create something outside of its own power.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Unless he makes a bigger shovel and moves it. After all don't men do the same?



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