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originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: Raggedyman
One book attests to Christ and it can't be verified as autheny.
And why would it? I have been reading early church writings by Clement who never mentions the ressurection.
Nothing is older than 400 BC and believing it is true only makes it true in your mind. You know you can't prove it. We have books about many things that aren't true.
If being a book makes something true than every religion with a book is true. No more proof of Jesus than their is for Krishna or any other so called god.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: eight bits
Josephus was one who left subtle clues about what really happened as was Luke and Plutarch who may be the same person.
If the James comment is valid I believe he was saying Saul killed James but this Saul is a Herodian but Paul writes to or about a Herodias that he knows so I believe it is the same Saul as "Paul."
Jeshua was a common Jewish name and occurs in the OT and there is Jesus Ben Sirach in the Catholic bible. It is the same as Joshua and Jesus is an improper translation.
Jesus Barabbas was the man who was released instead of Jesus Christ before his sentencing.
It is widely accepted that the ancient rabbis fastidiously ignored the rise of Christianity and only rarely alluded to Jesus in their writings. However, as the surviving texts of the Toledot Yeshu (the Chronicles of Jesus) attests, not all Jews in antiquity avoided speculation about Jesus, his life, and the origins of Christianity.
The Sages desired to separate from Israel those who continued to claim Yeshu as the Messiah, and they called upon a greatly learned man, Simeon Kepha, for help. Simeon went to Antioch, main city of the Nazarenes and proclaimed toe them: "I am the disciple of Yeshu. He has sent me to show you the way. I will give you a sign as Yeshu has done."
He added that Yeshu desired that they separate themselves from the Jews and no longer follow their practices, as Isaiah had said, "Your new moons and your feasts my soul abhorreth." They were now to observe the first day of the week instead of the seventh, the Resurrection instead of the Passover, the Ascension into Heaven instead of the Feast of Weeks, the finding of the Cross instead of the New Year, the Feast of the Circumcision instead of the Day of Atonement, the New Year instead of Chanukah; they were to be indifferent with regard to circumcision and the dietary laws. Also they were to follow the teaching of turning the right if smitten on the left and the meek acceptance of suffering. All these new ordinances which Simeon Kepha (or Paul, as he was known to the Nazarenes) taught them were really meant to separate these Nazarenes from the people of Israel and to bring the internal strife to an end.
Chapter LXVI.-Truth Told by Lying Lips.
"It is long that the divine patience bears with me, Simon the most unhappy of men; for whatever you have wondered at in me was done, not by means of truth, but by the lies and tricks of demons, that I might subvert your faith and condemn my own soul.
I confess that all things that I said about Peter were lies; for he never was either a magician or a murderer, but has been sent by God for the salvation of you all."
Ok, now we are getting to the truth of the story. How the leader of the church, James, was arguing with Paul because he didn't want to make circumcision a must. How Paul said the Essene vegetarians were "weak" because they did not eat meat.
1 Corinthians 11:14
Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,
How the leader of the church, James, was arguing with Paul because he didn't want to make circumcision a must. How Paul said the Essene vegetarians were "weak" because they did not eat meat. How In 325 C.E. the Nicene Council was held where it was ordered that all original Gospels in Hebrew script should be destroyed - for the fact that they were omitting the teachings of vegetarianism from the religion of Christianity, although Christ the founder taught it was a must!
originally posted by: Akragon
Where are you getting this from?
How about a link or something