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The argument for Trump.

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posted on May, 21 2016 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


The argument for Trump?

Hillary.


The argument for Hillary?

Trump.

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posted on May, 21 2016 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: DBCowboy


The argument for Trump?

Hillary.


The argument for Hillary?

Trump.

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hahahahahahaha


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posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: DBCowboy


The argument for Trump?

Hillary.


The argument for Hillary?

Trump.

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hahahahahahaha



Undenighablly it's really said that we have 2 yahoos as options....



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: Gothmog

And if you have witnessed this 100s of times , you must be older than I am...as far as I know I have only saw the game 13 at best.

Well, I'm including movies starring congresspersons, governors, and state goons as well.

The presidency isn't the only office that functions this way. They all do. It's the nature of partisan politics.

Yes. That post was meant to be a little humorous....



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

It will be really interesting to see if the GOP will be as successful at demonizing the next (not black) democrat president??

Well, tbh, both parties make sure to do that. Lets not pretend GWB wasn't likened to a cross between satan and curly from the 3 stoogas...often unfairly.
Its politics, its tribalism, its a football game mixed with religion, so people get passionate.



I don't think any president in history has been as demonized as obama.. Which I'm sure has nothing to do with him being half black...sarcasm

Although I know for certain there was plenty of racism at play against Obama, just from a foot on the ground perspective, I dont think that was all of obama's criticism. There are ideological differences that no matter what the color, gender, species, etc..would simply be opposed.
I am opposed to the outragous debt we currently sit on. my mind boggles at it, and I want a president who is going to address it sensibly with a plan that not only actively and strongly reduces it, but in the process can strengthen the american economy. perhaps the nation does need to go into some business..personally I think a space elevator built over our nation and given paid access to by other nations to build megastructures in space would cut that debt down in short time. Other projects like that that would not only resolve our debt, but actually increase our countries economic, scientific, and social power.

But instead we got jerks and jokes as candidates forever. We need a idea man that steps out of the box, we need a kennedy dream to focus on.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 08:13 PM
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For the people who like Trump now, what you don’t see and realize is what you will see one day of the reality of this sinister man, and how bad and dangerous he becomes when you finally SEE his prevaricating, lying, telling self-serving half truths, etc… when the blinders come off you’ll finally understand people’s revulsion to him that you can't see now because you’re blinded by the darkness at this point.


Many of us tried to tell the Barack lovers in 2008 that he was a fake and phony but they didn’t listen. They only looked at his positive side and were blinded by his con game as many are now only looking at the good side of Trump and refuse to see his con job he’s doing on you.


One day you’ll see the light. I just hope it’s not at the expense of the destruction of the country.

Sure he’s not like the usual politician...HE’S WORST!

If he wins one day you will see that, and believe me, you’ll have deep regrets



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

It will be really interesting to see if the GOP will be as successful at demonizing the next (not black) democrat president??

Well, tbh, both parties make sure to do that. Lets not pretend GWB wasn't likened to a cross between satan and curly from the 3 stoogas...often unfairly.
Its politics, its tribalism, its a football game mixed with religion, so people get passionate.



I don't think any president in history has been as demonized as obama.. Which I'm sure has nothing to do with him being half black...sarcasm

Although I know for certain there was plenty of racism at play against Obama, just from a foot on the ground perspective, I dont think that was all of obama's criticism. There are ideological differences that no matter what the color, gender, species, etc..would simply be opposed.
I am opposed to the outragous debt we currently sit on. my mind boggles at it, and I want a president who is going to address it sensibly with a plan that not only actively and strongly reduces it, but in the process can strengthen the american economy. perhaps the nation does need to go into some business..personally I think a space elevator built over our nation and given paid access to by other nations to build megastructures in space would cut that debt down in short time. Other projects like that that would not only resolve our debt, but actually increase our countries economic, scientific, and social power.

But instead we got jerks and jokes as candidates forever. We need a idea man that steps out of the box, we need a kennedy dream to focus on.



I disagree completely..

W. Bush was attacked for his actions...

Lying us into Iraq and giving Halliburton the rebuild contracts..

IMHO the most corrupt act in modern political history.

In fact I can't think of anything else W was attacked for at all..


Obama they began pretending he was a Muslim socialist, anti Christ who was actively trying to destroy the country.


Hell, Mitch mcConnel said their only purpose was to make him a one term president....



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
W. Bush was attacked for his actions...

That, also his stance on abortion (even though he didn't do anything about it)
They didn't like his views on No child left behind
etc...basically everything he did
In saying that, everything he did was either part of the right wing agenda, which of course the left wing wouldn't like, fair enough, or it was simply authoritarian (patriot act, homeland security, etc) which I think most liberals, left or right, didn't like..so he caught a lot of flack (justified).
But there was also then the hate for his love of the pro military stance, and he seemed to be a crap speaker overall..stumbling and saying some goofy phrases.
You are no doubt left wing..you will of course find all the hate towards GWB justified, you may also find most of the hate at Obama unjustified.
in about 10 years, you may be completely politically flipped and view things differently, you may see all at the right wing to be strawmen and unjustified, meanwhile the hate towards the left being fully deserved..you will rationalize it, everyone rationalizes it.

I am center left liberal anti-progressive...I think all of the above sucks and not a single person represents me..closest sorta is some bits of trump and sanders if you frankensteined them together into a free liberal anti-progressive monster..sprinkle on heavy doses of technocracy and voila.but I digress



Lying us into Iraq and giving Halliburton the rebuild contracts..

Iraq was possibly intelligence failure, but tbh, they didn't need an excuse if they were set on going. Iraq violated the cease fire agreements. the whole wmd stuff was just to sell to the public why we needed to go in..and it didn't work for most.
I personally thought it was a bad idea, because as crap as Saddam was, he kept a tight ship and kept the fanatics down. negotiations and silent understanding should have been used there. Saddam could have been a good friend to the US if not for all the history.
Yeah, it was a bad move, I spoke loud against it at the time, not because we didn't have the authority, but because..it was like killing off the jerk holding back the storm of jerks.


Obama they began pretending he was a Muslim socialist, anti Christ who was actively trying to destroy the country.
Hell, Mitch mcConnel said their only purpose was to make him a one term president....

Oh, I know. but thing is, the cameras will always point at the loudest, and the loudest is always the dumbest..and that tends to represent the entire movement.
Republicans are racist nascar fans and big oil tycoons
Democrats are minorities in drum circles and rich hollywood movie stars

Both are valid stereotypes, but both stereotypes are not the majority..however, they do catch the camera nicely and serve great at making the other side, the "others".

Its hard not to get trapped into that view..I struggle with it still. I look often at the right and wonder just wtf is going on in some of their heads, but then I actually consider what is being said (and try to get past the cringe of how its being said) and a lot of it honestly does make sense and with strong points.

I am cringing more at the left lately though. the left is having a meltdown between social libertarian and social authoritarianism..thats not a good thing. I worry about that more than some jerk getting in office for a term and being neutered. which devil to choose is where many are wondering now.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: SaturnFX

Yes, we're great. We have been for quite some time. Obama has nothing to do with it.

You asked what has being presidental ever got us...
..everything is the answer, you didn't ask what has obama specifically done that significantly increased or decreased anything. we are discussing trump here, not obama.


I'm not certain which country you speak of that, collectively, is inspired by him. Care to link me to that?

Global view of Obama
Compare it to Trump
Take your pick

Expect if Trump gains the white house for the US to be considered the land of idiots to mock globally, and us image to be something to be embarassed about. this is how the world views our politics.
being presidental counts
being cordial counts
you dont elect a spastic gorilla and say that is who represents the best of us.



Yeah, they can mock the US from their own #holes, then.

Screw them, they don't want to play ball because of Trump?

Their loss and who gives a rats.

Who in your opinion is a great looking presidential leader?

You want one that looks good or one that works?




posted on May, 21 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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Amen!

And the people that put him in office will be watching him very closely. He knows it too.




posted on May, 21 2016 @ 09:30 PM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy
Yeah, they can mock the US from their own #holes, then.

Screw them, they don't want to play ball because of Trump?

Their loss and who gives a rats.


You literally just gave a north korean speech.
...le'sigh


The last time I heard people demand soo much they dont care about what the world thinks, the US started bombing Iraq.
This crap needs to stop. we are a nation with the most powerful military on the planet. we need calm heads at the helm, and the people who demand they dont give a crap about what the world thinks, especially when we have a nuclear arsenal at our disposal, and a habit of attacking anyone who annoys us needs to get a bit of perspective.
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posted on May, 21 2016 @ 10:26 PM
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Yea I'm disagreeing again lol...

I'm really not as much "on the left" as I am a political junkie. I look at it as the worlds coolest soap opera. I don't ever get upset when arguing on here or FB, because it's all just BS...none of us actually make any of these decisions (I assume lol), so it is all in just fun and entertaining conversation.

That said I watch a lot of both political sides...I was raised and live in MS so I have a fairly conservative upbringing.

I watch Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Hannity and Ben Fergeson (live south of Memphis.)on the right..


And The Young Turks, and a lot of random YouTube's of the major Networks and other random stuff, daily show, Colbert that are left/mainstream..

In watching both sides imho the conservative sites are telling far bigger and more propaganda filled lies..

The rights entire premiss is ridiculous.. That there is some vast conspiracy including all the scientists, college proffessors, media , Hollywood, unions, teachers, exc to push some liberal agenda, while discrediting conservatism...

Conservative media are 100% predicated on the thought that everyone else is lying to you, but them....

Then look at their scandals..

All are investigated by conservatives who find no wrong doing...aka, Benghazi , IRS and planned parenthood..

All of the scientific community is in a vast conspiracy to push climate change to get a carbon tax for one political party in one country.

With the left it is always some random face book poster, BLM protestors, Bernie sanders supporter, exc.. Who says some ridiculousness..



With the right it will be elected officials who say craziness...






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posted on May, 21 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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You did not address giving Halliburton the multi billion dollar rebuild contract...



Just saying.. I think that is huge.



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 11:00 PM
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I was about 20 at 911. I'm not saying W being pro life wasn't an issue, but the only critisism I remember is the patriot act and Iraq/afghan related.

IMHO the democrats take a real issue and set up some back ally way to siphon off a percentage of any tax dollars to their campaigns/financial backers...

The republicans have allowed big buisness to run rough shod over the American worker. Allowing states to compete with other states over "who can pay our citizens less!"

The entire present republican philosophy of

" all government is the problem!"

Rather than not having smart efficient government with accountability that is the problem..

Is just ridiculous..



posted on May, 21 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: SaturnFX

You did not address giving Halliburton the multi billion dollar rebuild contract...



Just saying.. I think that is huge.

friends helping friends. nothing like good old fashioned corruption.
Anyhow, I didn't address it, because I am in agreement here.

As far as the rest of what you are saying, The problem is that the conservative values stated of smaller more effective government I agree with..but they have gone off the rails and turned the philosophy into near anarchy, but the practice into a bloated authoritarian dystopia

I am, if I was forced to pick a side, a democrat. I am a liberal, but the cancer of progressivism has destroyed me identifying with that party and is quickly pushing me out of the title of liberal given the anti-liberal sweep going on. I am far more concerned with universities deciding debate is hate than I am about a temporary tax bracket argument. I can deal with the rights endless culture war..they bitch a lot but end up doing nothing. the left however with their new culture war to kill off and censor things found "offensive" is far more worrying for the long term of the country and the west in general.

If a Trump victory can send a message to the west to find their way back from the absurd elements of the party, then perhaps thats what needs to happen, but for now...my contempt is pretty equal here. actions speak louder than words, the right is ineffective, and the left is becoming worrying socially.
my view.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 01:42 AM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: SaturnFX

You did not address giving Halliburton the multi billion dollar rebuild contract...



Just saying.. I think that is huge.

friends helping friends. nothing like good old fashioned corruption.
Anyhow, I didn't address it, because I am in agreement here.

As far as the rest of what you are saying, The problem is that the conservative values stated of smaller more effective government I agree with..but they have gone off the rails and turned the philosophy into near anarchy, but the practice into a bloated authoritarian dystopia

I am, if I was forced to pick a side, a democrat. I am a liberal, but the cancer of progressivism has destroyed me identifying with that party and is quickly pushing me out of the title of liberal given the anti-liberal sweep going on. I am far more concerned with universities deciding debate is hate than I am about a temporary tax bracket argument. I can deal with the rights endless culture war..they bitch a lot but end up doing nothing. the left however with their new culture war to kill off and censor things found "offensive" is far more worrying for the long term of the country and the west in general.

If a Trump victory can send a message to the west to find their way back from the absurd elements of the party, then perhaps thats what needs to happen, but for now...my contempt is pretty equal here. actions speak louder than words, the right is ineffective, and the left is becoming worrying socially.
my view.



End up doing nothing?!?!

War on terrorism

War on drugs

Voter ID

Gerrymandering( doubt they were first, but were last lol)

Shutting down abortion clinics

Cutting welfare, social security, Medicare

Private prisons

Right to work states

Bathroom law

Creationism in schools , they are still pushing.

I'm sure I'm missing some lol..



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 01:56 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

End up doing nothing?!?!

War on terrorism

War on drugs

Voter ID

Gerrymandering( doubt they were first, but were last lol)

Shutting down abortion clinics

Cutting welfare, social security, Medicare

Private prisons

Right to work states

Bathroom law

Creationism in schools , they are still pushing.

I'm sure I'm missing some lol..


You listed a mishmash of state to state laws and federal bipartisan crap.
State to state is...well, state to state, unless you elect a dictator that eliminates all states rights, then they are gonna do what they are gonna do. best to find a state that works with your ideals.
Now, in regards to end up doing nothing, well, Abortion is still legal, welfare and other programs are still active, creationism isn't in school. Again, lots of noise, no actual progress.
I worry far more for SCOTUS decisions than presidental aims. citizens united is a real thing to worry about, building a wall and moaning about islam isnt.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 02:17 AM
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I voted for Obama,the first go round. He deserves every bit of ridiculehe has received. He was the ultimate bait and switch president (on nearly every issue), and the longest running war president in US history. A liar, the great divider. Ya, he deserves it.

Bait and switch:
Socialized healthcare switched for Obamacare (corporatized-faacist system)
Closing Gitmo- continued. Moved elsewhere doing the same thing.
Promised to unite - divided like bever before
Socially pragmatic - pushes sjw agenda
Hold banks accountable - biggest bailout / money giveaway in history
No troops in syria- troops in syria
Promised infrastructure rebuilding in stimulus - stimulus mostly welfare
Said would promote renewable energies - instead promotes carbon tax
Said he wouldnt go afterr guns - has gone after the 2nd ame,dment as much as he could
Preached government transparency - has been the most non-transparent president in,history.

I could go on but im getting tired of typing.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 04:20 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed


That won't be the case with a Trump presidency, he will respond with a big "You are Fired"! which will result in many heads rolling in both parties who only want the status quo to remain relevant.


News flash: The President cannot fire Congress or the Supreme Court.


News flash, that isn't what I meant. I said he will call out those who are corrupt and heads will roll. Obama loves corruption and he feeds it. Harry Reid ring any bells? Obama never exposes corruption in his own party, or even the GOP because all his comrades depend on a code of silence to shield their corruption.

Trump will not tolerate crooked deals in EITHER party and people will be publicly exposed and shamed and forced to resign or be indicted. Not tolerating corruption any longer in America will be the power that has been missing all these past years in the Obama administration, which will add up to Trump firing these clowns. You following so far? Class dismissed.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed


That won't be the case with a Trump presidency, he will respond with a big "You are Fired"! which will result in many heads rolling in both parties who only want the status quo to remain relevant.


News flash: The President cannot fire Congress or the Supreme Court.


News flash, that isn't what I meant. I said he will call out those who are corrupt and heads will roll. Obama loves corruption and he feeds it. Harry Reid ring any bells? Obama never exposes corruption in his own party, or even the GOP because all his comrades depend on a code of silence to shield their corruption.

Trump will not tolerate crooked deals in EITHER party and people will be publicly exposed and shamed and forced to resign or be indicted. Not tolerating corruption any longer in America will be the power that has been missing all these past years in the Obama administration, which will add up to Trump firing these clowns. You following so far? Class dismissed.



I don't know..

The politicians are pawns of their financial backers..mainly pushing agendas wanted by said financial backers..

Well trump is one of those backers...it works in his favor when considering that he "can't be bought".

I mean he donated countless money to buy politicians..

Trump didn't work for Hillary when he gave her money..Hillary worked for him..

So if Trump is one of the elite paying millions of dollars to shape government policy, then why would his presidency be different??

Arnt we just cutting out the middle man between politicians and elite donors, by electing an elite donor...


I'm not against trump, he has been a liberal his entire life (previous to planning on running for the GOP nomination) so I'm pretty sure he has bamboozaled the GOP.. That or the last 5 years of trumps life "trumps" the previous 50+ years, which doesn't make much sense, now does it...



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