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I believe you have a different concept of Christianity than does ChesterJohn.
The Torah tells us that when God created Adam that Adam was a dead soul. Adam was a terrestrial lifeless soul. God then breathed the Spirit of life into Adam's dead soul and Adam then became a living soul or a soul with a spirit of life. At this point the spirit is the celestial life of the terrestrial soul.
What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
I wrote - "The Torah tells us that when God created Adam that Adam was a dead soul. Adam was a terrestrial lifeless soul. God then breathed the Spirit of life into Adam's dead soul and Adam then became a living soul or a soul with a spirit of life. At this point the spirit is the celestial life of the terrestrial soul."
You then answered - "The Torah says no such thing! Now you're just making stuff up and adding your own eisegeses, in order to twist your reasoning around. Please provide proof for your assault against the Hebrew creation account, and show where Adam is resurrected from "death" in the Genesis creation account. At any rate, what difference does it make and what does that have to do with whether or not Elijah returned incarnated as John the Baptist. What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Who are you going to believe, the so called accounts of the priests and Levites or the words of Jesus the Nazarene? Like I said you don’t need to go to church to be a Christian. If you go to Taco Bell that doesn’t make you a taco. Justin Bieber"
So in order to become alive one has to be dead does he not?
Now no life is being dead is it not?
There are several accounts of Elias among the Gospel authors and all were authored by the Apostles of Jesus.
Spirit can have several meanings involved in this.
John the Baptist was asked if he was the incarnated Elias.
But also he can be in the spirit of Elias just as any person can be in the spirit of God.
And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who was to come.
No. First there must be life, which, in this case life is physical incarnation, in order for something to die. Death follows life.
The "spirit" is eternal. Do you think that the "soul" dies when the body stops breathing? In that case, it's the spirit that lives on, right?
Do you think the soul is created through the act of sex and procreation? In that case, then the soul is the vehicle, the "ego", the "personality" that dies when the body dies, but our spiritual essence is eternal.
No. What has not yet become isn't dead. There is no biblical tradition of God creating life from death. Nor do I accept your assumption that dirt is dead. IF it were it wouldn't be able to bring forth and nourish life.
No, they weren't, and no, there aren't several accounts.
Did the spirit of Christ possess Jesus?
Now there are differences of patterns such as those of animals, fowl, fish etc. with differences in consciousness. Even a tree has life but not the consciousness that the Creator gave Adam. There are everlasting spirits and there are life giving spirits. So that is where we disagree. The Genesis account tells us that the Creator did create all life to procreate.
For on the first day He created the heavens which are above and the earth and the waters and all the spirits which serve before him -the angels of the presence, and the angels of sanctification, and the angels [of the spirit of fire and the angels] of the spirit of the winds, and the angels of the spirit of the clouds, and of darkness, and of snow and of hail and of hoar frost, and the angels of the voices and of the thunder and of the lightning, and the angels of the spirits of cold and of heat, and of winter and of spring and of autumn and of summer and of all the spirits of his creatures which are in the heavens and on the earth, (He created) the abysses and the darkness, eventide , and the light, dawn and day, which He hath prepared in the knowledge of his heart.
And thereupon we saw His works, and praised Him, and lauded before Him on account of all His works; for seven great works did He create on the first day.
You cannot name one pattern of creation that has not been given the ability to procreate.
the angels of the presence, and the angels of sanctification, and the angels [of the spirit of fire and the angels] of the spirit of the winds, and the angels of the spirit of the clouds, and of darkness, and of snow and of hail and of hoar frost, and the angels of the voices and of the thunder and of the lightning, and the angels of the spirits of cold and of heat, and of winter and of spring and of autumn and of summer
In your reasoning you say that John the Baptist was the reincarnated Elias. But then on the Mt. of transfiguration Peter, James, John and Jesus were all together and who then was called forth? Was it Moses and Elias or Moses and John the Baptist? Or was there three who were called forth being Moses, Elias and John the baptist?
Also by your understanding Elias died twice with one death as Elias and another as John the baptist. Yet the scriptures say that ------ Hebrews_9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
WE according to tradition, as well the all the "spiritual factions of Heaven and Earth, were conscience as spiritual beings, with God, from the moment of creation.
I did read my Eth Cepher YOVHELIYM - Jubilees and it is almost word for word in the English. I find nothing unscriptural in that post. Not wanting to put words in your mouth please explain just what do you reference when you highlighted the word WE. Are you believing that this terrestrial creation had preexistence before it was created?
Yes there is a possibility that Hebrews could be wrong just the same as one could say the same of any literature.
WE are the Ain Soph. We are the "WE", as in "Let US" create man in "OUR" image. My point in this thread is to show that reincarnation is not only compatible with Christianity and Judaism, but that it's actually incorporated within its traditions.
a reply to: Seede Consider the idea that there is also life else where in this universe... thus there is almost an unlimited number of places a spirit could go... or come from Oh by the way... Hebrews 9:27 has nothing to do with reincarnation
That passage has nothing to do with reincarnation what so ever... Its only believed that it does because people choose to read the one verse and omit the rest of the chapter when they need a counter for reincarnation The subject being discussed isn't reincarnation... nor does it apply to it... The subject is whether or not Christ had to die more then once
There is nothing in scripture that teaches rebirth from celestial back to terrestrial.
Reincarnation is mentioned in the Bible imo many times. It's all about interpretation of the scriptures however my interpretation says reincarnation is in the Bible many times. lol
Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Pretty simple man... John was wrong on two different situations... For one he said he wasn't a prophet... Jesus disagrees in Luke... And for the second, Jesus disagrees about who he was... He made it very clear that he was Elijah... So you have one instance where John was wrong about his status as a prophet... So we know for a fact he can easily be wrong about something that was beyond his ability to know in the first place... being the reincarnation of Elijah