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I'm not spinning anything although I would like to spin your head around the fact there is indeed energy that transforms and doesn't cease. We are always evolving. We are always becoming and any follower of Jesus and his teachings KNOWS this truth because he reveals such in your spirit. I promise you the church doesn't want you to KNOW because how else will they control you other than damning you to hell if you don't follow THEIR way. Has nothing to do with Jesus. The Bible has many layers of truth and imo there are people who will never get it because they haven't transformed/grown enough to actually get it. "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you."
Energy does transform and does not cease to exist. A fact? Well that is our theology but how can we prove it as a fact? If it were indeed a proven fact then it would move out of theology.
And you have the audacity to believe that you can determine that the Apostle John is wrong?
Seriously? With all respect I can give you right about now... please... do us both a favor and tell me you learned this in school and understand how energy works. It's proven!! Here is the kicker... not only does it transform but it transfers too.
In light of what I understand, your understanding is very limited to certain terrestrial specifics. That is one reason I shy from terrestrial physics.
The argument in favor of reincarnation has nothing to do with "terrestrial physics". Your argument is a red herring.
There is no argument on my part involved in the subject of reincarnation. But yes, physics has all to do with the change from terrestrial to celestial substance and is the key to reincarnation as well as resurrection even though man will never achieve that knowledge.
Reincarnation is not taught nor has been taught by the prophets or Apostles of Jesus. The only argument is in the minds of those who wish to embrace that foolish concept. You are one of those who wish to change the scriptures to suite your false concepts.
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
The spirit is not made up of, never was made up of any terrestrial substance. The spiritual is not OF this world. The spirit/soul is the very breath of "God", forever exhaling and inhaling.
MATTHEW 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead." 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" 11 Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist.
Then the spirit was breathed into the lifeless soul. You can't change the truth regardless how you spin the story.
The doctrine of Jesus teaches that the terrestrial soul returns to its source and the spirit returns to its source.
John_3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. According to Jesus, Elijah was not taken up to the third heaven but only this second terrestrial heaven. Jesus said it. So don't blame for saying the same.
So Jesus explained to them that this Elijah has already come. That was the guy Jesus just talked to.
Now where was Elijah all this time before Jesus called him up [not down]? Of course, he was with his friend Moses was he not?
When a person dies the terrestrial body returns to its source which is the earth. Any physics class will teach that basic principal. It is an observable fact. You will one day return to your terrestrial compounds. Now if that is the case then how can a spirit (consciousness) exist if it is as you postulate as being an allegory?
I agree in part of what you have said in that God's Spirit is His breath. God is total Spirit and His creation cannot understand Him without His bringing forth His image which is His Word. But that is not an allegory and you are inconsistent in your posts.
So in one post you say that the spirit is a separate portion of man and now you say the spirit is an allegory and one continuous part of man. Whatever that can mean.
Jesus teaches that the terrestrial body will die once and the spirit will be judged.
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
If you believe that this breath or spirit returns to the Creator and is reincarnated into another physical body then you must also believe there is no hell or punishment of the spirit. That would negate the doctrine of the Christ Jesus.
In lite of this then Elijah had to die the physical death and his spirit return to the Creator and then that same spirit given to another incarnate John.
Jesus was the first in His era to teach a kingdom of heaven. Prior to this teaching of Jesus, some Jews believed that collectively a person was interred in Sheol till the resurrection day.
Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.