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originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: Phage
originally posted by: JackMaryAnn
a reply to: onequestion
Landbridge that could have collapsed in the past just to be linked yet again?
At more than 2,000 feet? Probably not. The end of the last glacial period raised sea levels about 300 feet.
Well they did find Ancient Camp Site ( Settlements ) remains in the English Channel
DNA recovered from underwater British site may rewrite history of farming in Europe
By Michael BalterFeb. 26, 2015 , 2:15 PM
Hunter-gatherers may have brought agricultural products to the British Isles by trading wheat and other grains with early farmers from the European mainland. That’s the intriguing conclusion of a new study of ancient DNA from a now submerged hunter-gatherer camp off the British coast. If true, the find suggests that wheat made its way to the far edge of Western Europe 2000 years before farming was thought to have taken hold in Britain. The work confronts archaeologists “with the challenge of fitting this into our worldview,” says Dorian Fuller, an archaeobotanist at University College London who was not involved in the work. For decades, archaeologists had thought that incoming farmers from the Middle East moved into Europe beginning about 10,500 years ago and replaced or transformed hunter-gatherer populations as they moved west, not reaching Britain until about 6000 years ago. But that worldview had already undergone some modifications. Recent discoveries, for example, have shown some incoming farmers coexisted with the hunter-gatherers already living in Europe rather than quickly replacing them
www.sciencemag.org...
Stone Age Settlement Found Under English Channel
By Heather Whipps | August 9, 2007 05:32am ET
www.livescience.com...
'Britain's Atlantis' found at bottom of North sea - a huge undersea world swallowed by the sea in 6500BC
Divers have found traces of ancient land swallowed by waves 8500 years ago
Doggerland once stretched from Scotland to Denmark
Rivers seen underwater by seismic scans
Britain was not an island - and area under North Sea was roamed by mammoths and other giant animals
Described as the 'real heartland' of Europe
Had population of tens of thousands - but devastated by sea level rises
www.dailymail.co.uk...
Doggerland
en.wikipedia.org...
So if this happened from the Old World Recent Discoveries
why not the New World too..
Recorded Written History only has been around for like 8,000+ years
yet MODERN Man ( as what we are NOW ) has been on this Planet for about 250,000+ years
or if you go for a recent discovery date 400,000 years!
so thats a large percentage of History Lost!
I wouldn't put it pass me if there would be some Structures
even though 2,000 feet ?
The area around CUBA could of been like like Doggerland in a sense
seeing that from Cuba to the American Mainland ( Florida ) is like 90+ Miles..
originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
originally posted by: Wolfenz
how can you be so sure that Cuba inst involved in a cover up ?
Seriously? And you say others are grasping at straws... Smh.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
What we’re seeing on film now are images of foundation ruins, rubble sections of building walls, and ruins of large public edifices. Some of what remains standing clearly show evidence of intelligent structure - post and lintel construction, parallel wall sections, and right angles - things that could not be explained as having been natural in origin.
1) Not film
2) What they are seeing are compression artifacts exaggerated by zooming.
Six years ago.
At the moment, we’re working to assemble and fund a very small reconnaissance team of experienced divers, underwater cameramen, and researchers to go down and prove what we are certain is there.
You are confused. No submersible was involved with Jes Alexander's find (which you linked). That was based on Google Earth imagery. www.abovetopsecret.com...
1) not film ( actually Video ) robot Submersible
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: peter vlar
Look your argument would be sound but it misses one vital point, the stability of the region, earth quake's and crustal
originally posted by: Wolfenz
Everyone is Grasping at straws in this Thread ...
originally posted by: Marduk
a reply to: Wolfenz
Laughable, all you have left is semantics and you're not even very good at that game
Seriously, the Cubans and the Americans working together to hide something that would bring in billions of revenue for Cuba
The burden of proof is on you, you have ignored all the evidence to the contrary, so I'm going to have to ask you to put up or shut up
Now do you have any evidence at all for a sunken city in Cuba, pictures of buildings, evidence of the existence of a
culture that built it, examples of trade goods in other cultures ?
I already know you don't have any of that, which basically means that you are claiming a city on a misread side scan sonar, which even the original claimant has given up on...
Which if you think about it, is completely hilarious...
The burden of proof is on you, you have ignored all the evidence to the contrary, so I'm going to have to ask you to put up or shut up
Now do you have any evidence at all for a sunken city in Cuba, pictures of buildings,
evidence of the existence of a culture that built it, examples of trade goods in other cultures ?
I already know you don't have any of that, which basically means that you are claiming a city on a misread side scan sonar, which even the original claimant has given up on... Which if you think about it, is completely hilarious...
Uploaded on Jan 10, 2012 I just want to make a brief comment on the alleged discovery of Atlantida in Cuba. If someone look carefully to my photogram, will found that Atlantida is only mentioned in the title, just because there are others videos in youtube which display fake "photographs" of a city with pyramids and other Mayan style construction in the Cuban sea bottom.
My point is to drive people´s attention to the real images of what we actually found in western Cuba. In the photogram there is not further reference to Atlantida,
and the last image just answer the question to say that we have no scientific evidence of an underwater city.
What we actually found?
Unusual images of submarine structures in the side scan sonar record. I examined offshore side scan sonar images of the US, Puerto Rico and Virgin island but found nothing similar. Also we found some rocks (megaliths) polished by the underwater current, whose composition I can not identify, although some people incorrectly claim they are granite. Is true that some of these blocks, of about 1 cubic meter size, have the pyramid, cubic and similar shapes, and sometimes can be aligned in a row. Are these ancient walls? We do not know. Is true that within the submarine structures and from the sea sandy bottom we have recovered fragments of volcanic ash, and rounded pebbles of vulcanoclastic sandstones and calcirudite. What do these findings imply? Nothing but a puzzle, because there is not a systematic sampling, so we do not know if these are random findings or represent the activity of ancient volcanoes (the ash) and submarine flows (the pebbles). But they mean nothing until we identify the ash composition (probably basaltic) and its age. The most intriguing and shocking finding, indeed, is a square plate of grey color, about 1 cm thick, and about 12 inches side, protruding from a rocky wall, in one scarp, at several hundred meters deep. Unfortunately, the element was not sampled, but excellent images are available in video which I will post in the future. But now I have not idea what it is this "grey plate" or how it found it way to its present location. But the true is that this element do not look like something "natural". Its nature remains unsolved. These are the facts. The question of what are these features at the sea depths remains open, and will require further investigations, very expensive because of the water depth and the equipment required. We can argue on its origin in one or other direction, but this mystery can only be resolved by an appropriate research.
originally posted by: Marduk
do you have any evidence at all for a sunken city in Cuba, pictures of buildings, evidence of the existence of a
culture that built it, examples of trade goods in other cultures ?
I already know you don't have any of that, which basically means that you are claiming a city on a misread side scan sonar, which even the original claimant has given up on...
Which if you think about it, is completely hilarious...
Yeah I'm repeating myself and I will go on repeating myself just for you until you provide some evidence for your claims
You claimed that there is a lost city down there, so the burden of proof is on you.. Do you understand the burden of proof, if not let me know and I'll sound it out for you in five year old speak
Prove it or STFU
Published on Jun 9, 2012 This one is the first of several videos to come, showing the real structures discovered between 500 and 900 meters deep offshore western Cuba, a place dubbed MEGA by Paulina Zelintsky. It was discovered while doing running side scan sonar in the area. It has been interpreted as a submarine city, Atlantida, but this is an misinterpretation of the facts. More reserach will be needed before reaching scientific conclusions.
It has been interpreted as a submarine city, Atlantida, but this is an misinterpretation of the facts
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: peter vlar
Look your argument would be sound but it misses one vital point, the stability of the region, earth quake's and crustal rebound and depression as well as continental tilting action which is likely but admittedly not proven.
Now just as the crust in area's of high glaciation is still rebounding today that huge increase in the volume of the ocean at the end of the ice age must also have had an effect on crustal pressure due to the huge increase in the weight of the ocean's, now yes that would be spread evenly over the whole ocean (higher pressure in deeper water of course) but then you have to take into account crustal thickness and the simply truth of the matter is that the Atlantic crust is young and thin, this mean's that it is more susceptible to this effect than for example the much older and much thicker crust of the ancient pacific ocean bed (in the stable area's not the so called dragon sea the ring of fire or other new expansion zones which are just like the mid atlantic rift)
en.wikipedia.org...
Remember that the Atlantic is supposedly only about 180 million years at the very most in age were the pacific is billion's of years old according to the predominat view of the scientific community.
Then you have earth quakes, regional crustal settling and displacement as well.
Given that it is not therefore implausible that the site may be much younger and the current depth may be due to more than simply post glacial sea rise, of course the opposite is true in northern europe were the land is rising, not by as much (yet) but over a very large area at differential rate's, norway is rising faster than the north of scotland for example (southern england is actually sinking like the other end of a child's see-saw, the mediterean is actually sinking or getting deeper in part due to the pressure of the mediteranean sea itself (some think this is also indicitative of a younger age for that sea as well and there is the hole isthmus of gibralter idea and the folk legend's of the greek's with there clashing rock's (collapsing isthmus) sylla (the vicious current) and caribdis (the whirlpool that devoured ship's) though this may also be a folk memory of the black sea flood which were incorporated into there legend's.
The ultimate truth is that we are all grasping at straw's though I believe firmly it is a ruin and as wolfenze pointed out that the balance of the proof is on the side of that as a credible interpretation of the available data
and to answer the idiot comment suggesting intellectual bankruptcy,
well all that I feel like saying is that there is no point arguing with someone that will not use reason so I will leave it there, I am not here to argue but to state the fact's as I know them and to posite my own belief which it so happen's is not in isolation.
No in that vain and not directed at you but collectively at the nay sayers.
You know how many innocent people have died because of argument's, that did not make those arguement's correct and they were most certainly not scientific so let's be fair it is about public opinion that you nay sayers are collectively arguing, not about the fact's and you are merely here to muddy the water's and deny the available data,
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: peter vlar
I can't argue with any facts because you have failed to substantiate your assertions with facts that prove your case. You're running a relay race from the Marianas Trench to Scotland, Finland and the Pacific Ring of Fire back to isostatic rebound and magical proto-continents. Speculation? Conjecture? Hyperbole? In spades. Proof? Not so much. If any tangible evidence was demonstrated, I'd happily change my tune but I'm sure as hell not going to apologize for having high standards and expectations for evidence. You claim I'm just here to muddy water and deny available data and that's pure unadulterated poop. I think the key part of your assertion about my intentions for posting in this thread is AVAILABLE DATA You don't have enough data to reach the conclusions you have come to.
if your fact's are provable then provide data, prove that there has not been subduction in the region, here is some interesting data that may suggest there HAS been.
Indeed it is not only possible but factual that the entire continental shelf of both the America's and Africa/Europe was indeed once dry land at a much higher altitude so what our argument is about is the time line of rising and falling, how the geomorphological process can affect that and what affect the glacial and post glacial sea level's also had on it as well as there affect on subcrustal magmatic displacement and regional crustal pressure differential's.
And what the implication's for a site such as this may be, it actually could be much, much younger even than the current estimate's if Zelitsky's own idea of a massive land slide could be proven though I see no evidence to directly back that up though landslide's do indeed happen just as often under water as above it and indeed our nation's may be devestated by one in the near future.
The canary island's have been tilted so that it is essentially only geological friction which is holding a massive area of rock from simply sliding into the atlantic, if and WHEN it does it will cause a tsunami that will devestate the coast of many nation's, utterly devestate Ireland and Britain if the estimates are correct and wipe out the US eastern seaboard city's?.
www.lapalma-tsunami.com...
Not quite the same but of course if it stayed intact anyone looking at the sunken ruin's that will remain on it would wonder how they got down into the depth's of the ocean if they looked at it in the future with no knowledge of the event?.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
You are confused. No submersible was involved with Jes Alexander's find (which you linked). That was based on Google Earth imagery. www.abovetopsecret.com...
1) not film ( actually Video ) robot Submersible
MP: Is it true that the exploration was inspired by a reported sighting from a plane window by Earnest Hemingway’s brother? What’s the full story there?
JA: That’s true. In 1954, Ernest Hemingway’s brother, Leicester, was on his way from the US to Havana, to meet with his brother, the renown author and war correspondent. At one point, Leicester Hemingway was looking out the airplane window, and claims to have seen, “A city of glistening marble,” below the sea. He then spent the next 40 years of his life trying to find it, again. He never did, but for the latter part of his life, Leicester Hemingway was obsessed with the story of Atlantis.
Now trying to put a constructive knowledge filter over the new age crap is genuinely near impossible but for me that Structures off cuba look artificial and that is my belief, I do not know what culture they belonged too and I do not have any idea who built them but I believe they are an artificial construction, ancient, weathered and eroded by underwater current's but not natural. At the very least it could push back Somebody's cultural heritage far earlier than we currently believe, could a neanderthal subspecies for example have achieved far more then we give them credit for in an area of stable weather during the last glacal maximum's over the last 500.000 year's and could there traces be what was lost down there while more primitive tribe's battled the element's on the hinterland's that are now the mainland's of our continent's but were once very far from the sea and very wild with treacherous ice age weather pattern's?.
but say nevertheless they are very interesting and unusual submarine images which represent man made structures and will be display in another film to come.
I at heart see a great similarity between our findings under the sea and the structure and characteristics of some monuments of the archaeological zone of Dzibichaltún, asserted the scientist. Our geologist, doctor Manuel Iturralde, an internationally recognized authority in this field, suggested that the recently discovered structures could belong to an island located between Cuba and Yucatan, which was sunk 10,000 or 12,000 years because of a seismic cataclysm.
Manuel Iturralde, an internationally recognized authority in this field, suggested that the recently discovered structures could belong to an island located between Cuba and Yucatan, which was sunk 10,000 or 12,000 years because of a seismic cataclysm
Cuban Underwater "Ruins" May Be Concrete While we hope that the "ruins" reported off the extreme western tip of Cuba are remnants of Atlantis, our research indicates that the formations lying on the 2100-foot bottom may be something else. This area lies near the locations of the Soviet-era guided missile bunkers and concrete platforms that were the critical issue in the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. We believe that the materials on the bottom may be the remains of these bunkers and the storage silos which were quickly dismantled by the Soviets and dumped. Virtually no new information (2004) has been released about the Cuban site, but we remain hopeful that ruins may be identified at the location.
originally posted by: Amirkat
The "ruins" found off of Cuba may be something less fascinating than what is proposed in OP... Makes more sense than pyramids/lost city, especially considering the depth at which they are found.... What do ya'll think?
originally posted by: Amirkat
a reply to: Harte
Well, that's what I get for thinking! Lol
Thanks Harte for the link to the other post, I didn't have much time for searching earlier... That damn job gets in the way!!