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Pope Francis compared ISIS to Jesus sending his disciples to all nations "the same idea of conquest"

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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 12:44 AM
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– The fear of accepting migrants is partly based on a fear of Islam. In your view, is the fear that this religion sparks in Europe justified?

Pope Francis: Today, I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam. It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam. However, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.

– On April 16, you made a powerful gesture by bringing back the refugees from Lesbos to Rome. However, does Europe have the capacity to accept so many migrants ?

Pope Francis:....I am thinking here of Pope Gregory the Great (Editor: Pope from 590 – 604), who negotiated with the people known as barbarians, who were subsequently integrated. This integration is all the more necessary today since, as a result of a selfish search for well-being, Europe is experiencing the grave problem of a declining birth rate. A demographic emptiness is developing.

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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 12:50 AM
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It is just...absurd...
The pope is a pope because of those countless disciples most of whom died in unspeakable martyrdom. That is nothing similar to what ISIS and similar satanic organizations do. One cannot compare the executor with the victim.

The question rises, on which side the pope is?

It is sad, that after other good preaching, the pope fails to comply with the dignity of his office, with those non-premeditated words (I want to believe that). Practically he offends 2.5 bln Christians, not just the Catholics, who venerate the countless Holy Martyrs as their first fathers in faith, first disciples of Jesus. Not mujaheddin who killed others, but martyrs who were killed by cruel persecutors. Make a difference between the two? The pope doesn't, apparently.
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

The Pope is a scholar. He is speaking in a scholarly way. He does not really think the disciples are like ISIS. Go back to school.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:05 AM
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the only reason "problem of a declining birth rate" is an issues, is socialist counties need young people's money.

If Europe more capitalist, the declining birth rate would probably be seen as a good thing. Less people raping the earth.


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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:10 AM
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He's a false pope. He's a pope of this satanic world. But not a leader of any kind in the body of Christ. It makes me sick every time I see him in the news. ISSIS is carrying out genocide on Christians. Islam itself is seeking to destroy Christianity all together and the so called pope sides with them and the world and never speaks out against their evil. I can't wait for Jesus to sit in Judgement over this pope! I feel like Caiaphas will get more mercy then this so called pope will!



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:11 AM
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After speaking so much of the Christian Martyrs in previous homilies, and canonizing 800 victims of the Ottoman attempt to invade Italy, it is quite strange for Francis now to compare the Christian missionaries with mujaheddins. Willingly or unwillingly, he did exactly that.

I wonder who would like to continue be a "faithful" in a Church ruled like that, compared like that with ISIS? Is there any motivation for continue staying such course?

Demographic,
Economic,
and other issues have their answers, attempts to be resolved. They are discussable. Personally, I don't thin the declining birth rate should be substituted with imports of immigrants, many of whom (not ALL!!!) come for purposes far from rising their kids in a democracy with Christian traditions. Whether there should be 1 or 10 kids each family, is also discussable. The pope himself said, don't multiply like rabbits. So what, no rabbits, yes afghan men to have sex with european women and rise new nation, may be?

Whatever those answers are,
to question the basic line of Christianity is already crossing a red line. Then why he continues to be pope in first place if he thinks so? He may go to eat pizza in Argentine.
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:18 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

I suppose we can't blame all Catholics for this loon, but they did make this man their leader. Why is it only insane, evil humans come into positions of power?



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: RockofTruth
He's a false pope. He's a pope of this satanic world. But not a leader of any kind in the body of Christ. It makes me sick every time I see him in the news. ISSIS is carrying out genocide on Christians. Islam itself is seeking to destroy Christianity all together and the so called pope sides with them and the world and never speaks out against their evil. I can't wait for Jesus to sit in Judgement over this pope! I feel like Caiaphas will get more mercy then this so called pope will!


Two people really starred that post?



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:33 AM
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Best pope in decades, of course people will say idiotic things about him. I am not surprised.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Somewhere I read a catholic media that few of the cardinals who voted for Francis in 2013 support him now.

Francis is smart, no doubt about it. He says 99% true and that 1% words that scandalize. Almost as some error during the interview. If it is so, let he apologize.

After waiting 3 years for any meaningful reforms in the Catholic Church, we are now surprised by that latest statement of the jesuit pope, who in that large interview lauds the French jesuit scholars but fails to distinguish between the Christian mandate received by Jesus Christ to spread the Good news PEACEFULLY, and the violent last reincarnation of Satan that is undoubtedly ISIS. Pity, because the same pope lamented the victims of ISIS many of whom are Christians in those ancient Christian lands.

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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: reldra
Best pope in decades, of course people will say idiotic things about him. I am not surprised.


Wow an open supporter of ISIS on ATS.

a new low.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 02:27 AM
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A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 02:36 AM
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In an interview given to La Croix – a French Catholic Newspaper – this week, Pope Francis compared the Christian Great Commission: Jesus Christ’s call for all Christian’s to spread the gospel, with the Islamic concept of Jihad: what is interpreted (and practiced) by some – notably international terrorist group ISIS – as the “holy war.” Read more at www.inquisitr.com...

www.inquisitr.com...


Here, by equivocating Christ’s call to spread the gospel – the Christian mission (which stands at the core of Western Christianity – with Jihad (which is, while commonly practiced as a physical conquest as seen by ISIS, is literally translated as “a spiritual struggle”), the pontiff tried to ease some of the stigma against Islam by likening it to Christianity. Read more at www.inquisitr.com...



The Washington Post expressed its doubt on Pope Francis’ attacks on the West. “Though sometimes labeled as a ‘progressive’ leader of the church, Pope Francis sounded very much the member of an ancient institution when hailing European integration. After celebrating Khan, he compared the moment to the 6th century A.D., when Pope Gregory the Great”negotiated with the barbarians.” Read more at www.inquisitr.com...



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 02:38 AM
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I had no idea that the pope read from the book of The Holy Grail...

Learn something new every day.


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OT - I am not Catholic so I know little about this pope or the ones that proceeded him but he has certainly been making some waves since he took over. I wonder how devout Catholics feel about him?

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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:00 AM
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Pope Palpatine?

Are we already in Episode 3 with a changing face of previously polite chancellor who now redefines what is good and what is evil?

I thought of being symbolically in Episode 1, and of having the End times still far away. Perhaps I was wrong.
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:22 AM
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he does have a point.
without isis nobody would be aware of the wahhabi sect, outside of muslim scholars.
without jesus the christian sect, would never have outgrown its jewish base.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:24 AM
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a reply to: stinkelbaum

you may not notice that without Jesus there won't be a "christian sect" neither a pope...



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

The Pope (for all that this one is the least offensive Pope of recent decades) is nothing more than a mortal man, placed at the head of an organisation which has twisted and usurped the word of Christ for its own, selfish misbegotten ends since its formation. There is nothing remotely Christian about Catholicism, and the more this Pope makes plain his disdain for the divisive and anti-Christian hate ethic that sets Catholics apart from others, and the more he treats all persons on the Earth as equals, not underlings, the more he unifies people by treating the ills of one group no different than he would treat the ills of the one of which he is a part, the closer to Christ he, and by extension the Catholic Church will become.

If anything, this Pope is the only one in history who seems capable of true faith, because he loves before he hates, cares before he chastises, focuses on unity before division. Unlike his many foul predecessors, he actually seems to BELIEVE in the message of Christ, which boiled down is simply a message of love. This makes him a rare entity, because many of his predecessors were corrupted, loveless spewers of doctrine, not men who spoke from the soul, but persons who allowed their dogma to override the spirit moving within them, who preferred their power and wealth to true service to Christ.

He strikes me as a man who finds the trappings of Papal life as somewhat obscene, as well he should, for it simply IS obscene. He draws comparisons where they are to be made, because unlike many Catholics, he is not mired by delusions of exceptionalism. As much as I could never fanboy over someone like the head of a corrupt, anti-Christian outfit like the RCC, I admire his attempts to bring the organisation of which he is head, back into the arms of Christ, by way of speaking in the spirit, and not allowing the prejudices which surely flow around him by way of others to prevent him speaking freely, honestly, and realistically about the role of Catholicism, and the fair comparisons that could be made between the spread of Chrisitianity by the sword in ancient times, and the nonsense peddled by ISIS these days.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

If I have to choose between allegiance to Jesus who ordered "conquest" to spread peacefully the Gospel, or to the last successor of Peter who redefines and criticizes that "conquest" (in his own terminology), my choice absolutely falls on Jesus' teaching not on someone else's. Interesting why the Jesuit pope didn't chastise the crusaders, he would sound more convincing. Instead, he chose to quote Jesus himself and to ...say what he said.

As far as the NWO is concerned, we are definitely before a new doctrine of the world's oldest and biggest organization. Will that lead to a NWO shaped according to that doctrine, or the opposite, will that sequence see ultimately the organization's decline and possibly secession, is something that only time can tell. Because I bet, among the 1.2 bln catholics there are many who do not think like the pope does about Jesus. Although there were many good parts of his homilies, a choice between Jesus' mandate and that of a pope, is about to be set, if the current trend continues. Actually, it is already said in the public space. The pope has the slim chance to apology and somehow excuse, but I doubt it he will do it. He said it in order to be heard. As Benedict did about the Muslims, no matter how many apologies he said afterwards.

Unification of religions, hmmm that sounds...End times.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 04:09 AM
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this is the last time i post on this forum......ATS has jumped the shark. Thank you for the years of information, but I'm not seeing that anymore, nor am I seeing the ability to interact. Peace out, and remember, stock up.



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