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War Between Russia and NATO in 2017 Suggested...

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posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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According to former British general Sir Alexander Richard Shirreff, NATO could find itself at war with Russia in 2017. Shirreff comes with an impressive display of credentials and experience. He is a man whose role has required him to have a succinct and analytical mind, so for him to come and state this scenario, knowing full well the alarm it might raise, seems to me that he has an agenda, and that agenda is probably linked to the 'emasculation' (has he puts it) to the British Armed Forces.


West and Russia on course for war, says ex-Nato deputy commander. Shirreff’s warning about the danger posed by Russia is echoed in the foreword by US admiral James Stavridis, former supreme allied commander Europe, who writes: “Under President Putin, Russia has charted a dangerous course that, if it is allowed to continue, may lead inexorably to a clash with Nato. And that will mean a war that could so easily go nuclear.”


www.theguardian.com...

www.independent.co.uk...

He knows that if Russia was to attack any NATO interest, it would involve America by association, so the claim doesn't make sense, and if he hopes to convince British politicians, specifically UK Defence Secretary Michael Fallon, to reverse the cuts to the armed forces, his fear-mongering would seem somewhat over-the-top.

For Russia to invade certain Baltic states by opening a land corridor would necessarily invite a response from NATO, which would eventually involve America, and that would set the stage for the use of nuclear weapons. As I have often stated on threads such as these, certain countries cannot, or should not embroil themselves in a conflict with one another.

I cannot envisage Putin to be that stupid. Yes, he will rattle his sabres on the odd occasion, and may even display Russia's military power, but to bring possible destruction upon his own people in order to gain land would not be logical. He would lose the land he might be going for, and much of his own country. I doubt very much that Putin is thinking that NATO would not engage him, he knows it will, and by any means necessary.




posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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Sorry Alexander... That's a terrible suggestion. I think there are other avenues for resolution and compromise.


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posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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When Turkey shot down a Russian jet in Syria, Putin had all reason to retaliate and provoke a war.

Putin did nothing as Putin ain't stupid.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: elysiumfire

So would I be a traitor if I gave a Russian citizen a hug? I mean what do "We the People" need with a pointless war? Our Governments are ridiculous children.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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There is a good piece at ICH titled Propaganda alert .....

According to his scenario, starting next year Russia would first occupy Ukraine to secure a land route to Crimea and then invade the three Baltic nations, all of which are members of NATO. The move, Shirreff argued, would be driven by the perception of NATO’s weakness and Russia’s opposition to what it sees as the alliance’s attempts to encircle it. “We need to judge President [Vladimir] Putin by his deeds not his words,” the retired general told BBC Radio 4’s Today program. “He has invaded Georgia, he has invaded the Crimea, he has invaded Ukraine. He has used force and got away with it.” The supposed invasion of Georgia in 2008 was Russia’s response to a Georgian attack on its breakaway region of South Ossetia, which started with the killings of Russian peacekeepers stationed there to prevent such hostilities. Russia responded by defeating the NATO-trained Georgian Army and withdrew. Moscow later recognized South Ossetia as a sovereign state, formalizing its de facto independence from Georgia that had been in place since the 1990s. The supposed invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was Russia’s use of its troops, which were legally deployed in Crimea under a treaty with Ukraine, to prevent hostilities after an armed coup in Kiev. The Crimean people, who overwhelmingly opposed the new Ukrainian government and its nationalistic leanings, voted in a referendum to part ways with Ukraine and rejoin Russia.
www.informationclearinghouse.info... well worth the read :>)



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: elysiumfire

So would I be a traitor if I gave a Russian citizen a hug? I mean what do "We the People" need with a pointless war? Our Governments are ridiculous children.


Well, there's the population control aspect of things.

And war is always a great distraction from what the people in power are up to- maybe a big war is what they're looking for to have a big distraction to pull some big #.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: elysiumfire

Stupid? Only if its coupled with the term miscalculation. Its entirely possible Putin thinks NATO would not go to war with Russia to defend the small Baltic nations.

As with the book The Guns of August Putin thinks he knows how the west will react which is the real danger.
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:43 AM
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Who is the real aggressor here?

Russia for getting annoyed at being fenced in by NATO bases popping up.along it's borders , or NATO for building them?



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:51 AM
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a poor attempt to get book sales by fearmongering and red baiting.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: markosity1973
Who is the real aggressor here?

Russia for getting annoyed at being fenced in by NATO bases popping up.along it's borders , or NATO for building them?


Up until Putin invaded Ukraine there was no NATO force presence anywhere near Russia's borders so your comment about being boxed in (which Russia is not given the number of countries that border them) is without merit.

Hint - If Russia did not invade Ukraine / Georgia / Moldova and brag about being able to take 5 countries (nato) capitals there would not be any NATO forces near them.

Im not sure why that is hard for Putin / pro russians to understand.

Putin is in the position he is in because of his actions.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: elysiumfire

Stupid? Only if its coupled with the term miscalculation. Its entirely possible Putin thinks NATO would not go to war with Russia to defend the small Baltic nations.


Saddam Hussein thought the same thing about Kuwait. Really.

Megalomaniacal dictators tend to seem brilliant and powerful and effective in their early years, and then make devastatingly catastrophic miscalculations.

Hitler's ego and hate resulting in the Blitz on London and the V-1 & V-2's on non-military targets resulted in Allies taking nothing but unconditional surrender. Nazis erroneously believed that the negotiated conclusion of WW1 for Germany was a "stab in the back", when in truth they got off easy compared to the vengeful rampage of the Red Army and a 50 year occupation.
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: markosity1973
Who is the real aggressor here?

Russia for getting annoyed at being fenced in by NATO bases popping up.along it's borders , or NATO for building them?


That's Russia never taking accountability for the consequences of their own actions. They can't imagine the truth, that NATO is a voluntary self-directed alliance of democracies (except #ing Turkey), and those countries choose NATO, because they have experienced Russia up close and extremely loud.

What has Russia done to make friends with its neighbors?
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posted on May, 22 2016 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: markosity1973
Who is the real aggressor here?

Russia for getting annoyed at being fenced in by NATO bases popping up.along it's borders , or NATO for building them?


Up until Putin invaded Ukraine there was no NATO force presence anywhere near Russia's borders so your comment about being boxed in (which Russia is not given the number of countries that border them) is without merit.

Hint - If Russia did not invade Ukraine / Georgia / Moldova and brag about being able to take 5 countries (nato) capitals there would not be any NATO forces near them.

Im not sure why that is hard for Putin / pro russians to understand.

Putin is in the position he is in because of his actions.


This basically sums that up.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 03:18 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

Properly titled from a good source for propaganda.

As that is what they do...push propaganda.

Ukraine showed us that from your source early on.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Mianeye
When Turkey shot down a Russian jet in Syria, Putin had all reason to retaliate and provoke a war.

Putin did nothing as Putin ain't stupid.


Yep. It also shows just how stupid Turkey is. ~$heopleNation



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: Mianeye
When Turkey shot down a Russian jet in Syria, Putin had all reason to retaliate and provoke a war.

Putin did nothing as Putin ain't stupid.


Yep. It also shows just how stupid Turkey is. ~$heopleNation


Turkey did what it had to do after having one its own aircraft shot down, missiles and artillery fired into its territory and multiple air craft violating its air space. The Turks even met with Russians several times and told them they were going shoot down aircraft violating their air space. The Russian's called their bluff and lost. Could the Turks have kept turning a blind eye? Maybe for awhile but, so long as the Russian's were pushing that border in a war zone it was going to happen sooner or later.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad

Yeah I thought you'd feel that way Garry. You were the only one who could've got to that blood, We'll do you last.


Nah I understand Turkey's position, I was just making a point that it very well could have started World War 3. ~$heopleNation



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 05:34 PM
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Russia is no victim, even if they like to play that card often.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

And US nukes with 8 inch floppys using linux for a control system.
NOBODY knows what we will do ...it's America's rep.
WE ARE CHAOS.



posted on May, 25 2016 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

That's why America plays the long game.
Putin better accomodate a few unfortunate truths ...rather quickly...
www.rumormillnews.com...




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