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Trump, The Heist and Pending Economic Collapse

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posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:09 PM
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So is the "conspiracy' here that Trump, a couple Billionaire buddies and acquaintances, are going to short the market on a planned stock implosion, to make a conglomerate of a few wealthy people, wealthier?

Like, the greatest swindle in history?

"The Great Bank Heist of 2017"?




posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Great OP!

Thoughtful and probable and looking at the inside where it counts.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:12 PM
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Did it ever occur to you guys that maybe Pickens, Icahn, and similar people, are shorting the market as a position for a coming CORRECTION that will be spurned by Trump's policies, and current economic data trends.

Like Asian Markets, Obamacare, "Arab Springs" after Summer months, collapse in Europe, Brexit, South American markets, and your overall SYSTEM falling apart?



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Perhaps but maybe not. Trump might just be a convenience rather than a player in the whole thing.

In either case, I'm not sure he's the one who should be Treasury Sec.

Trump is basically asking a High Risk Gambler to be Treasurer.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: visitedbythem
I agree with you guys. We should vote for Hillary! Trump is a known LIAR


I am hoping you can entertain a thought that is not binary.

Any interest in discussing the OP?


Yes, by all means, let's skip right past the gullibility of electing an unknown, un-vetted Alinsky community organizer who (before he was even elected), in a moment of unguarded honesty told Joe the Plumber, "We believe it's better to spread the wealth around" without mentioning that "We" included Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven!

Now after almost eight years of deliberately doing everything possible to demoralize the Average American, flaunting regal disdain for the separation of powers, sending Congressional Oversight down a bottomless memory hole, mocking virtually every American value that existed before 2008 and inviting the world in to come help pick the bones of the Golden Goose that was actually drawing in its last gasps in the late 1960s, you want to discuss all the terrible things the Boogie Man From Trump Towers might rain down on the American people?

While you're deciding whether you want the blatantly dishonest hypocrite with a proven track record or the untested but likeable Democratic Socialist that I've still been unable to link to any concrete accomplishments other than a successful campaign that I do applaud, I'll just pull my covers up over my head tonight and worry about the Boogie Man when the time comes.

Things are so screwed up that, "At this point, what difference does it make?"



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: netbound and then some snake oil salesman comes along promising the moon and the stars and they buy it hook, line and sinker.

Why buy snake oil, when you can get the whole snake? Vote Hillary!



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: CornShucker


Things are so screwed up that, "At this point, what difference does it make?"


I for one am tired of being told how horrible my country is by unpatriotic Republican doomsayers who are hoping to depress the country into buying their BS yet again.

Thanks for this wonderful insight into the consequences of eight years of continuous consumption of right-wing propaganda!

What does any of this have to do with Donald Trump again?



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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Woot! Go Trump! Build that wall. Make the wall out of ground up old tires coated in Canadian tar sands with a sweet candy center of depleted uranium. Let's seem them Hispanics come close to that thing.

And make Sara Palin VP. Force her to wear a stars and stripes bikini in the background with a sullen look and teacher spectacles on. That would help make America great again. See Berlusconi, you are not the only man with swagger.

Then crash this damn economy so we call all go back to work again, making electronics for Chinese rice farmers and packaging Trump steaks.

I just get all tingly thinking about it.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Almost everything Trump said was spot on true. You might not like it, but he cut right through the BS and said exactly what I have been saying for years.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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I am not surprised by this at all.

Trump is a man whose fortune would be double what it is now if he wasn't involved in managing his own money.

I have no idea why people think he is a good business man his record shows he has been a horrible business man. If he had been managing someone's else's money they would have fired him long ago.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
I am not surprised by this at all.

Trump is a man whose fortune would be double what it is now if he wasn't involved in managing his own money.

I have no idea why people think he is a good business man his record shows he has been a horrible business man. If he had been managing someone's else's money they would have fired him long ago.



A guy who parleyed a MILLION dollars into 10 Billion in assets and worth?

"Bad business"?

Are you joking?

That's the equivalent of taking 100 Dollars, and turning it into a MILLION dollars, in pure BUSINESS.


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posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
Almost everything Trump said was spot on true. You might not like it, but he cut right through the BS and said exactly what I have been saying for years.


Yeah, he was so spot on that this other guy is supporting Trump as President while also betting the Economy will crash also.

Because the housing collapse worked out so well for us all last time, right??? I guess you must have made out like a bandit yourself???



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Nobody believes he's worth 10 billion dollars though. Forbes has him rated less than half that at best. He's even quoted saying that he was upset at Forbes for saying that because "It sounds better" to be worth 10 billion rather than 4.5 Billion.

Which I agree, it does sound better. Hell, why not just say you're worth a Trillion or a Gazillion dollars even??? What the hell. If you're just going for what sounds better.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Grimpachi
I am not surprised by this at all.

Trump is a man whose fortune would be double what it is now if he wasn't involved in managing his own money.

I have no idea why people think he is a good business man his record shows he has been a horrible business man. If he had been managing someone's else's money they would have fired him long ago.



A guy who parleyed a MILLION dollars into 10 Billion in assets and worth?

"Bad business"?

Are you joking?




What on earth are you talking about? He is NOT worth 10 Billion...even by his own admission. He assigns a 4 Billion dollar value to his name in that math...and inflated estimates on his real-estate etc. etc.

Second...He got way more than a Million from his Daddy...Hint..his FEC disclosure shows he is still receiving money from his daddys trust NOW...decades after his Dad died.

Third...Comparing Trump's actual return on his initial stake from his father...He would have made more than double if he had parked it in a savings account and he would have triple if he parked it an index fund..

Thems the numbers and reality...do some reading and research...what he says is BS.



posted on May, 18 2016 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: visitedbythem

Ha!! Gotta admit, that was a funny reply!


Here ya go: Vote the Donald! Make America Hate Again!!



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: JimNasium

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: visitedbythem
I agree with you guys. We should vote for Hillary! Trump is a known LIAR


In the words of Dr. House: "Everybody lies." The question is: which liar is less likely to wreck the economy and drag the country into a trade war... or even a shooting war?



What is "D; None of the above..."


Vote "None of the above" and the Idiocracy wins. If nothing else, you need to register a protest vote so that future historians can see that whoever wins did not have a popular mandate. Hitler never won more than 43% of the popular vote until he banished all the other parties. If the Christian Democrats and Socialists had voted together, Hitler would have skulked back to Austria and taken up house painting.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: Indigo5




posted on May, 19 2016 @ 08:38 AM
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At first, when I heard some of these statements, I was like...."huh?"....

Then I looked into them.


Almost everything Trump said was spot on true. You might not like it, but he cut right through the BS and said exactly what I have been saying for years


Yep. Scary as it is, those statements are spot on. He's basically just verbalizing what has been standard practice the whole time anyhow.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: Gazrok
At first, when I heard some of these statements, I was like...."huh?"....

Then I looked into them.


Almost everything Trump said was spot on true. You might not like it, but he cut right through the BS and said exactly what I have been saying for years


Yep. Scary as it is, those statements are spot on. He's basically just verbalizing what has been standard practice the whole time anyhow.


No...The precise opposite. A presidential candidate has NEVER suggested negotiating the National Debt as if the USA was in bankruptcy court.

If he said it as President, it would have immediately caused a global crisis, with interest rates spiking and stock markets crashing.

Trump is talking about INCREASING the national debt...and then if the market turns bad..negotiating with bond-holders (treasury bonds) not paying them back their promised price.

When people pointed out the obvious...that that is essentially declaring the USA bankrupt...and that just speaking those words would make creditors demand massively higher interest rates on the national debt...and thus cause the economic calamity he is looking for..

He then suggested..."The fed can simply print more money"...his answer was a wheel-barrel full of cash to buy bread..

Everything he suggested is the PRECISE ANTITHESIS of what Republicans believe..

For EFFS SAKE...This is not a Liberal vs. Conservative thing...

GREECE almost sank the EU...What do you think happens when the USA does the same thing???

See the NATIONAL REVIEW:


The candidate’s various plans range from useless to disastrous.

the United States is neither Greece nor one of The Donald’s businesses. There wouldn’t be any outside entity to force bondholders to accept less than face value. And a President Trump would have little leverage in any negotiation without threatening a general default. But even the hint of a default would inject an almost unprecedented level of uncertainty into international markets, causing interest rates to spike for all other kinds of debt, from corporate debt to state- and local-government debt.

In this maelstrom of uncertainty, liquidity would probably collapse, since financial institutions, in an attempt to reduce their exposure, would be unwilling to make loans. This, in turn, would lead to a huge drop in business investment and consumer spending. It would be like the last economic crisis on steroids.


Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...

THAT is not some liberal outlet saying his polices would be like "the last economic crisis on steroids"...it is the NATIONAL REVIEW.
Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...

Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Indigo5

Almost everything Trump said was spot on true. You might not like it, but he cut right through the BS and said exactly what I have been saying for years.


Except that is exactly and precisely wrong.

The USA not paying bondholders full price WILL collapse the world economy...simply suggesting it (if he was actually president) pretty much has the same effect.

Trump is suggesting the USA go the way of Greece.

and by the way..



Oh, and those bondholders who would get screwed under Trump’s proposal? That would be you and me. Roughly 55 percent of government debt is owned by Americans, mostly through their 401(k) or company pension funds.


Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...



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