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The States Begin to Fight Obama’s Transgender “Guidance”

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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

And if an autistic person was comfortable in a restaurant, but was told they were not allowed in?


Are LGBT people being denied entrance into places they would like to go? (other than the bathroom opposite of their birth sex)

I think there are laws in place to protect them from harassment already.
en.wikipedia.org...




posted on May, 19 2016 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

I am saying that a transgender person is told they cannot go to a PUBLIC place (restroom) that is comfortable to them, because it might make other people uncomfortable. That is just as bad as telling an autistic person that they cannot go to a PUBLIC place that is comfortable to them, because they might make other people uncomfortable.





posted on May, 19 2016 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody




That has what to do with the fact that businesses can still discriminate just not openly?


OH they do it openly with those Gun FREE Zones.

Then the same people that created that flips their whigs about 'bathrooms'.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: jimmyx

Like AmericanRealist said it should be up to the states. That's great that it works in Portland but I doubt the "Hipster Capital" is a good example of how the rest of America feels.



Look in to it further, it does not seem it is the kids that have a problem with this and most don't understand what all the fuss is about all over the country. It seems its just people with a religious agenda that take issue.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: xuenchen

As a high school kid, I couldn't imagine how cool it would be to walk into the girls locker room during shower time. I guess we will soon find out. Pucker up buttercup, all these kids need to do is say they identify as a woman today, and POOF*, free pass. Yea, this can't miss.


If you think for one second that is how it works then you are being willfully ignorant on the subject.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: defiythelie

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: jimmyx

Like AmericanRealist said it should be up to the states. That's great that it works in Portland but I doubt the "Hipster Capital" is a good example of how the rest of America feels.



Look in to it further, it does not seem it is the kids that have a problem with this and most don't understand what all the fuss is about all over the country. It seems its just people with a religious agenda that take issue.

That is a bit of a scary position. That the government can demand something and so long as no one complains, they can enact it as law and withhold the funding of the entire country like it is theirs to decide? The root of the problem is simple. An overreaching, criminal and constitution ignoring President that believes he is King. If he truly wants a medieval title, might I suggest jester.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: defiythelie

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: jimmyx

Like AmericanRealist said it should be up to the states. That's great that it works in Portland but I doubt the "Hipster Capital" is a good example of how the rest of America feels.



Look in to it further, it does not seem it is the kids that have a problem with this and most don't understand what all the fuss is about all over the country. It seems its just people with a religious agenda that take issue.

That is a bit of a scary position. That the government can demand something and so long as no one complains


No demands have been made. You are not going to fool me. School districts across the country have reached out to the federal government for guidance on how to handle this situation. The federal government responded.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: defiythelie

You are not stating the truth. You see...when you ask for guidance it isn't usually met with a threat of defunding the establishment you support. It is a threat by the government to push an agenda. And if I might say so...an illegal threat as the administration has no legal position to delegate such laws.



posted on May, 19 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: DBCowboy

sure. I'm all for it. I honestly am not worried about who pees where. But for some odd reason, all of the sudden, a certain group seems to be really, really worried about this.


yah that group would be PARENTS whose daughters will be subjected to showering with Bruce Jenner.
This is a modesty issue, and a certain group of people have no problem destroying modesty in this great nation and world wide.
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: defiythelie

You are not stating the truth. You see...when you ask for guidance it isn't usually met with a threat of defunding the establishment you support. It is a threat by the government to push an agenda. And if I might say so...an illegal threat as the administration has no legal position to delegate such laws.


Exactly, it's coming right out of a tyrannical administration which claims to be well versed in Constitutional Law....



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 03:27 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
yah that group would be PARENTS whose daughters will be subjected to showering with Bruce Jenner.
This is a modesty issue, and a certain group of people have no problem destroying modesty in this great nation and world wide.



Modesty?

What by Jove has modesty to do with it? With a possible exception for those inclined otherwise, but most people aren't aroused by seeing either sex dispell of bodily waste. And, I hope, even in America loos still have doors, and those doors still have locks, right?

So, modesty??
edit on 20-5-2016 by ForteanOrg because: he went moral here modest was required..



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 03:46 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

“As someone who doesn’t identify as male or female I find it would be a good option because sometimes I wouldn’t necessarily feel comfortable going into one bathroom or the other,” King said.

This is mental illness on a whole new level.



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 03:52 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude

A student's parents are required to officially communicate with the school admin to let them know their child is undergoing counseling, puberty blockers, hormones in order to facilitate their transition as a transgender student. A random kid can't just walk in to school and say "I feel like a girl today so I'm going to the showers." The school knows exactly who the true transgender kids are.


This is simply not true. No where in the letter does it say this. The only qaulifier given is "however they identify." It does not say, "if they are on beta blockers, have had their parents call in, or are in sex transition therapy".

Edited to add an actual qoute from the letter you defend yet are too lazy to read..

"Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity. 6Because transgender students often are unable to obtain identification documents that reflect their gender identity (e.g., due to restrictions imposed by state or local law in their place of birth or residence), 7requiring students to produce such identification documents in order to treat them consistent with their gender identity may violate Title IX when doing so has the practical effect of limiting or denying students equal access to an educational program or activity. "
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posted on May, 20 2016 @ 04:19 AM
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a reply to: SKMDC1

As I understand it the Guidance was issued only to schools that receive Federal funding.

My football, my rules.



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 05:40 AM
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originally posted by: defiythelie

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: xuenchen

As a high school kid, I couldn't imagine how cool it would be to walk into the girls locker room during shower time. I guess we will soon find out. Pucker up buttercup, all these kids need to do is say they identify as a woman today, and POOF*, free pass. Yea, this can't miss.


If you think for one second that is how it works then you are being willfully ignorant on the subject.


LOL, this is all brand new. How is it that you know all about how it's going to work? Barry? Is that you?



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: DBCowboy

You guys ever see that 90's movie "Starship Troopers"?

They had coed showers and fought giant bugs! But that's all just fantasy.



They were given drugs to suppress the sexual urges of adults.

No kids involved.



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 06:07 AM
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originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Freija

I watched the video and I thought that she was spot on with how many people just "pretend" to be one of these gender categories for attention or political points. A couple of points though.

1. Many people would make the same argument about trans people. Why couldn't a person "fake" being trans for the same reasons they fake being gender fluid. I am sure a gender fluid person or any of those other categories would call her a bigot. This is the problem with using this type of language when arguing an issue.

How exactly do you fake being trans? I'd like to get a better understanding what you're thinking here?


2. The argument for what restroom to use is still a "feeling" issue. No matter how you slice it, even if being trans is 100% legitimate as a medical condition, the argument for which restroom to use still is a feeling issue. Why is the feeling of trans people more important than cis or gender fluid people?

How about the right to equal accommodations and services which doesn't have much to do with with "feelings"? What rights are being violated if a transgender woman uses the same bathroom as other women? In the case of transgender students in the education system, which is specifically what this thread is about, they are a highly vulnerable, at risk demographic for suicide and other co-morbidities such as depression, anxiety, eating disorders and cutting not to mention violence, which I can speak of personally, and bullying. 87% of transgender students report feeling unsafe at school. Several organizations have put together guidelines you might find informative. Please download and review the PDF, Schools in Transition: A Guide for Suppoting Transgender Students in K-12 Schools


I honestly don't care who is in the restroom with me. I think that as many have said, many trans people have used the restroom of their choice for ever, and it wasn't really a problem.

It is not.


What angers me is the establishment, media, academia, Obama, etc. all forcing this on people, and then calling anyone with questions or disagreements a bigot. The very girl in the video you show would be called a bigot by these very people!

Being obnoxious and anti-feminist is kind of this YouTuber's schtick. She's certainly not PC, that's for sure. When there are social issues like this that are new and unfamiliar and people are ignorant of the facts, it does make people angry and is polarizing. If you watched the one Ted Talk with Nicole Maines, her parents sued the school board for the right for her to use the girl's bathroom and won. These legal challenges have been happening all over because parents want things to be the best for their special children so they are treated inclusively and have normal educational opportunities and lives like any other kid.

Why this is in everyone's face is because of the religious fundamentalist lobby, cleverly under the guise of "family values" made it an issue, got anti-trans legislature incorporated to the official Republican National Committee platform and turned the whole thing into a sh!tstorm that has now turned transgender issues into a political wedge using transgender people as pawns. This is in direct retribution of the Obergfell decision on marriage equality, plain and simple.


Lastly, I am not sure what the picture you are showing prove. You can be trans gender at 5 or younger? Are those pictured born female, transitioning to men? If so, are you suggesting that 5 year olds use the restroom of what they are transitioning too? That seems insane!


Who would send ANY 5 year old into a restroom alone? Yikes!

Yes, all those children were assigned male at birth. The weight of all current scientific and medical evidence points to the causes of gender dysphoria being biological or genetic in nature. Yes, it can be observed in very young children who often protest they are not boys or girls as soon as they can talk. Any child development book will tell you a child's awareness of gender and sense of their own develops between 2 and 4 and is very resistant if not impossible to change.

What clinicians look for is that this is demonstrated insistently, persistently and consistently over time (years). Parents do not make kids transgender. They are often horrified and do everything in their power to make their kids "normal" which only exacerbates the situation. Nothing is done medically to these kids and at most they socially transition with different clothes, hair style, names and pronouns. This is all very complicated and nuanced and really off topic for this thread but letting a young child transition is often a last resort and is done under the care of specialists in the field and is unique to each family situation. Let's not go there now, please.


So are you saying they need urinals and toilets in the bathroom?

In Case they feel like standing or sitting?



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: xuenchen

Pucker up buttercup, all these kids need to do is say they identify as a woman today, and POOF*, free pass. Yea, this can't miss.


Nope, not how it works at all.



Yep sure is how it works. Sense its all mental and there is no way to do a "test" on it.



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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People will practice their religion and will not participate in ceremonies or events that they consider sinful.

Get over it.

People will still demand men use the men's room and women use the women's room.

Get over it.

People will still believe a so-called transgender person is sick in the head.

Get over it.

Wow, that's awesome. You should practice what you preach and get over it.



posted on May, 20 2016 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: defiythelie

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: jimmyx

Like AmericanRealist said it should be up to the states. That's great that it works in Portland but I doubt the "Hipster Capital" is a good example of how the rest of America feels.



Look in to it further, it does not seem it is the kids that have a problem with this and most don't understand what all the fuss is about all over the country. It seems its just people with a religious agenda that take issue.


I have a problem with a man going into a bathroom that my wife or niece just walked into. No religious agenda there.



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