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How important is the V.P. selection going to be in the election?

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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 08:47 AM
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First off, I can't recall anyone who I would consider a 'good' V.P..

It seems like the V.P. has been more of a dolt than the candidate himself. Perhaps deliberately.

In the current 'campaign', my bias sees Trump defeating Hillary. The trouble is I could be wrong. So I will assume the current polls are correct-for once- and see this as a toss-up at this stage.

As each party's members tend to kiss and make up after the nomination process is completed, I discount no potential coalition possibility.

As a Trump supporter, a Sanders/Warren V.P. for Hillary is worrisome. It would go a long way to patching up the super-delegate fiasco and the resulting disaffection within the Democrat party ranks.

More importantly, both would resonate nationally with the socialists.

While Trump selecting say the ex-Governor of Arizona-her name escapes and that speaks volumes- or a Rick Perry-type who would be a political match for Trump, however, they don't have any national resonance-at least to the extent that Sanders or even Warren potentially offer.

My preference is Giuliani. A Trump-Giuliani ticket all but assures taking N.Y. State and their 47 or so electoral college votes and would make the traditional swing states passe. He also has national respect, at least more so than any other potential V.P. selection out there that I can see.

Apparently, Trump has been more pro-active than Hillary in naming or selecting individuals for their potential election. Trump's foreign relations advisory selections-well outside the usual crowd in D.C.-shows/implies he's ahead in that regard.

Hillary is either leaving that process to 'others' or is rope-a-doping in the hopes that Trump selects someone that isn't a national figure. (Both need help in that regard).

Therefore is the timing of the selection also an issue? Who names their choice first? Is there an optimum time?

On the other hand, Trump's "your fired" mentality is exactly what's needed in D.C.. The guys running the show need to be fired! Should Trump stick with that mantra in his selection seeing that's a major reason he's gotten this far?

Keep it simple, stupid? YOUR FIRED....I love it.....




posted on May, 17 2016 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

I hope he gives exgov Sarah Palin another chance at VP.

She's hot! and Donald like's hot the ladies.
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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:03 AM
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I think Trump's ultimate VP choice will be very interesting. I see that he has several directions he could go.

1. Pick a republican establishment favorite to try and consolidate support within the party (Examples: Kasich, Rubio, Christie etc.)
2. Pick someone equally or more disliked by the establishment to reduce any fear he might have of assassination (for example, Sarah Palin)
3. Pick another outsider, but one that is well liked and different enough that it would further expand his base and draw more independents (for example Ron Paul, Ben Carson)

I have given up on trying to predict what Trump will do. I can see the logic of #1, especially if he picks someone that has congressional experience. If he makes it to the White House, he is going to have to get bills through both houses and a VP with legislative credibility will help him in that.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: nwtrucker

I hope he gives exgov Sarah Palin another chance at VP.

She's hot! and Donald like's the ladies.


I gave that one some thought. I'd say not. She's already been taken through the meat-grinder by both the Republican elite, the left's platoon of Lawyers and the Media. (Not unlike Trump, himself.) Trump has survived that process and Palin has not. A cruel assessment, but accurate, IMO.

Perhaps she has a role to play but, frankly, I don't see where it is.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:08 AM
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Trump could be forced into #1 by the GOP elite via GOP campaign contributions.

I am reminded of Reagan who was the first President in IDK how long who wasn't a Skull member, a tri-lateralist or a CFR member. He ended up with every slot in his administration filled with them....

It 'could' be a good move for the reasons you cited....or a fatal one, in the long run.....

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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: Slave2theTruth



1. Pick a republican establishment favorite to try and consolidate support within the party (Examples: Kasich, Rubio, Christie etc.)

That would be a bad move, IMO, people shied away from the RINOs to vote for Trump.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:17 AM
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It 'could' be a good move for the reasons you cited....or a fatal one, in the long run.....


Interesting choice of words....

www.infowars.com...

I think his VP choice is crucial to his election possibilities.
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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:20 AM
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As long as it's not Palin (that pick would spell definite doom for Trump), the VP pick will make no difference. If he picks a woman/minority it could go either way. It will be seen as either a smart move to improve his lack of minority/women support or his pandering to those groups, which will turn them off even more. A real dilemma.

Hillary's VP will be a non-issue as her supporters won't be swayed whatsoever. She could pick one of the dead Benghazi victims and her sychophants will still pull the lever for her.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:27 AM
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Here's a very good description of the position from someone that's made the shortlist (apparently)

“Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president’s agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we’ll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation.”


CAMERON: One of the things you talked about last night was the flexibility the vice president has.

PALIN: Yeah.

CAMERON: Uh. What did you mean by that?

PALIN: Uh. That thankfully our founders were wise enough to say we have this position and it’s constitutional — vice president will be able to be not only the position flexible, but it’s gonna be those other duties as assigned by the president. A simple thing.


“Aw, that’s something that Piper would ask me, as a second grader, also. That’s a great question, Brandon, and a vice president has a really great job, because not only are they there to support the President agenda, they’re like a team member, the teammate to that President. But also, they’re in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the Senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom. And it’s a great job and I look forward to having that job.” [Emphasis added]

The vice president isn’t “in charge of” the Senate. Not in any way. (Incidentally, we included all three quotes to prove that her debate answer wasn’t a one-off gaffe. She clearly didn’t know, nor was she interested in learning the correct answer.)

So, Vice President is a very important position - just ask Dick Cheney. I hope our winner will have chosen wisely

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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:33 AM
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I hope he gives exgov Sarah Palin another chance at VP. She's hot! and Donald like's hot the ladies.


Hotness aside - would be good just for the grins

I've decided I'm embracing our shiny new future as it includes a President Trump and his glorious Sarah Palin

It's about damn time


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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:36 AM
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I'd say 'could' be crucial. Hope for the best....plan for the worst.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

As I have always said, I would like to see Trump with Sanders as vp. It garners a larger percentage of voters and helps heal the breach. It may even create a one party system where candidate are selected based on ideology rather than party lines. Voting on parting lines is really for the simple minded.

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: olaru12



I hope he gives exgov Sarah Palin another chance at VP. She's hot! and Donald like's hot the ladies.


Hotness aside - would be good just for the grins

I've decided I'm embracing our shiny new future as it includes a President Trump and his glorious Sarah Palin

It's about damn time



Hear, Hear...

Talk about a "shiny new future" how about Pres. Sarah...only a heart beat away from glory.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 09:54 AM
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Talk about a "shiny new future" how about Pres. Sarah...only a heart beat away from glory.


It just gets better and better...

No way am I moving to Canada - I want a T shirt when it's over that says I lived through it



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I think we should combine our talents and write gags for the latenite and standup comedy club jokesters.

www.realfirststeps.com...


Low hanging fruit as they say....



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 10:28 AM
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Bummer... and I was so excited!

You know...worst case...4 years of trolling in our future. Along with posting bans - or outright bans :-)

So - on topic? It's hard to imagine things could get any worse. But I've been proven wrong before

Whoever gets roped into Donnybrook's farm is OK by me. I can't see that it much matters at this point



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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VPs aside, let's talk about first spouses. Who would you rather look at for the next eight years, Bill Clinton or Melania Trump?



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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Mostly, the VP picks will be irrelevant.

If Trump picks a woman or minority, it will be seen as pandering. And honestly, he's not going to get any MORE of these groups, so not needed.

He's repeatedly said he'll pick an actual politician as his running mate, so see no reason to doubt this. And, it's a good move. He'll need someone who knows the system well. I don't think this will be from any of the previous candidates, with the exception of maybe Rand Paul. I do think Christie and Carson are likely cabinet picks though.

Clinton's pick is almost completely irrelevant, but my bet is she'll pick a Latino. My money is on Julian Castro.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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VP selection is very important.

I'll give you examples. Ross Perot's VP candidate was weak and timid and got crushed in the debates and nobody knows his name ...he was an admiral I believe. A better Candidate could have given his campaign a huge boost.

Sarah Palin. McCain could have Beaten Obama, but Sarah Palin derailed his campaign. No way in hades I was going to vote for McCain with that little lunatic in tow. And millions of other American's thought the same thing.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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Trump will need a known, middle of the aisle Republican (a RHINO, if you so choose) since he will need someone to help bring in the swing vote. It's going to be a tough gig regardless of who he chooses. Whereas McCain was derailed by Palin during his campaign due to her nonstop utterances of crazy crap, whoever the VP nominee is will have to deal with Trump's nonstop ridiculous statements.



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