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American College of Pediatricians Says Reject Transgenderism

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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
Let the kids go through puberty before any decisions are made. If they still feel out of place after the bodies chemical/hormonal changes then start looking at other options. "Transitioning" earlier than that seems to be needlessly jumping the gun.


If you are a girl, you want to go through male puberty, and those physical changes?

Do you not comprehend there are physical changes that can not be reversed?


I do understand that. I also feel giving the body it's last natural chance at reconciling it's body and mind shouldn't be discarded.


Then you are not understanding it.

Sounds more like you're doing it for you - - - not what a trans kid needs.
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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: seeknoevil

Well, they refuse to admit that gender dysphoria is a real issue, which flies in the face of conventional science (which the vast majority of pediatricians agree with), so...... if the shoe fits.

Trying to pray away the gay - or the gender dysphoria - hasn't worked.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
Let the kids go through puberty before any decisions are made. If they still feel out of place after the bodies chemical/hormonal changes then start looking at other options. "Transitioning" earlier than that seems to be needlessly jumping the gun.


If you are a girl, you want to go through male puberty, and those physical changes?

Do you not comprehend there are physical changes that can not be reversed?


I do understand that. I also feel giving the body it's last natural chance at reconciling it's body and mind shouldn't be discarded.


Then you are not understanding it.

Sounds more like you're doing it for you - - - not what a trans kid needs.


Trans kids need to be happy, like all kids.

Why are you so against letting the body see if it can heal itself?
What's wrong with letting puberty take place first?


(post by TheLaughingGod removed for a manners violation)

posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: redshoes

So downgraded due to stigma does not make it less abnormal, still counter to the order of normal healthy thinking, it is only a matter of degree. My opinion has not changed, treatment should be the normal coarse of action as with over eating or cutting. Surgical freakenstein is not treatment it is mutilation.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: In4ormant

Why are you so against letting the body see if it can heal itself?

What's wrong with letting puberty take place first?




Because everything I've read from Professionals and Transgenders themselves are against it.

Gender is in the mind. Not the packaging. The packaging needs to match the mind.


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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

I do. Well not exactly.

My friend was born a boy but is a girl. She didn't get her surgery to change everything over until after she was eighteen, but she knew long long before that.

She is a dominatrix in the porn industry.
She is suicidal.
She is very unhappy.

Now I'm not saying it's like that for every transgender out there. Of course not, I only know one. But from my experience with my friend - she isn't any happier as a woman than she was a man.

I disagree with minors going through any surgery or medications to alter themselves until they have reached the age of adulthood (puberty at the very least) and can make those medical decisions for themselves. Too many crazy parents out there that wanted a boy and had a girl and vise versa. Who would the surgery/hormones be for at that point? The parents, the child?

I don't know why people stick their head in the sands as to the abuse this can cause. Particularly in the wrong parents power.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
Let the kids go through puberty before any decisions are made. If they still feel out of place after the bodies chemical/hormonal changes then start looking at other options. "Transitioning" earlier than that seems to be needlessly jumping the gun.


If you are a girl, you want to go through male puberty, and those physical changes?

Do you not comprehend there are physical changes that can not be reversed?


I do understand that. I also feel giving the body it's last natural chance at reconciling it's body and mind shouldn't be discarded.


Why are you so against letting the body see if it can heal itself?

What's wrong with letting puberty take place first?




Because everything I've read from Professionals and Transgenders themselves are against it.

Gender is in the mind. Not the packaging. The packaging needs to match the mind.





Then give the mind a chance to reconcile the packaging AFTER the mind has gone through its hormonal and chemical changes.

Circumventing the last opportunity for a natural solution because of the "present" discomfort is reckless in my opinion.

Would you not prefer a natural solution that let your child be happy as opposed to surgeries and drugs?

Why would any parent pass on the opportunity for their child to be whole in body and mind before placing them under a knife?

Post Puberty should be the standard before any chemical/medical treatment is authorized.
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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: In4ormant

while i have expressed something akin to agreement with your position here, let me throw out something else from my experience.

i've mentioned my older son being gay before. i knew he was gay from the age of 2. it was part of who he was.


This is distinguishing between 'gay' as a sexual act, and 'gay' as a mental framework. i don't know when he began to physically act on it, but i do know that from a mental framework point of view, he was gay from the earliest days.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
Let the kids go through puberty before any decisions are made. If they still feel out of place after the bodies chemical/hormonal changes then start looking at other options. "Transitioning" earlier than that seems to be needlessly jumping the gun.


If you are a girl, you want to go through male puberty, and those physical changes?

Do you not comprehend there are physical changes that can not be reversed?


I do understand that. I also feel giving the body it's last natural chance at reconciling it's body and mind shouldn't be discarded.


Why are you so against letting the body see if it can heal itself?

What's wrong with letting puberty take place first?




Because everything I've read from Professionals and Transgenders themselves are against it.

Gender is in the mind. Not the packaging. The packaging needs to match the mind.





Then give the mind a chance to reconcile the packaging AFTER the mind has gone through its hormonal and chemical changes.


It does not work that way.

You want it to, but it doesn't.

Understanding Gender Dysphoria is "newish" science - - - but, it is not New.

Its like all those years homosexuals were subjected to Reparative Therapy. That homosexuality could be changed. It can't.

Neither can Gender Dysphoria.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
Let the kids go through puberty before any decisions are made. If they still feel out of place after the bodies chemical/hormonal changes then start looking at other options. "Transitioning" earlier than that seems to be needlessly jumping the gun.


If you are a girl, you want to go through male puberty, and those physical changes?

Do you not comprehend there are physical changes that can not be reversed?


I do understand that. I also feel giving the body it's last natural chance at reconciling it's body and mind shouldn't be discarded.


Why are you so against letting the body see if it can heal itself?

What's wrong with letting puberty take place first?




Because everything I've read from Professionals and Transgenders themselves are against it.

Gender is in the mind. Not the packaging. The packaging needs to match the mind.





Then give the mind a chance to reconcile the packaging AFTER the mind has gone through its hormonal and chemical changes.


It does not work that way.

You want it to, but it doesn't.

Understanding Gender Dysphoria is "newish" science - - - but, it is not New.

Its like all those years homosexuals were subjected to Reparative Therapy. That homosexuality could be changed. It can't.

Neither can Gender Dysphoria.


Here's is 102 pages on all the changes and effects that occur in the adolescent brain during puberty.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

You categorically saying it doesn't work that way is ignorant.

You have no idea if the body would reconcile itself during that period and neither do I. But I, unlike you, would not rule it out and throw the option off the table in favor of surgery and drugs.

Making sure that I gave my child EVERY opportunity to be happy with themselves is my responsibility as a parent. Throwing away one of those options blindly isn't giving them EVERY opportunity.

I



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

Gender is in the mind. Not the packaging. The packaging needs to match the mind.


Actually...when the mind doesn't match the packaging, it is often considered a mental issue and is addressed with psychological help.

You don't take an addict...like an alcoholic (which is a mental issue) and say they should dress like a bum and drive recklessly. Nor to you take a pedophile and suggest they act to match their mind. You also don't take some one who is depressed and suicidal and suggest they embrace their differences. You treat these people and do so to help them.

When the mind isn't normal and doesn't meet the standards of the species, the typical prescription is to treat the problem there...not to praise the differences, suggest acting upon their thoughts, etc. I'm no doctor, but maybe that is part of the reason the suicide rate among the transgendered is so high. I don't believe it is because "they aren't accepted' but that they do everything the mind tells them and they are STILL unsatisfied. Then suicide seems the only way out.

If so...then those suggesting that they not treat or even consider a mental issue are in fact, sentencing such people to that high risk of suicide. It is also a true that if there were 100% proof that gender identity issues were in the mind...people would fight that even if it were a known fact. That is what people do with mental issues...they fight to the death that they are real and not an "condition". Usually until the chemical imbalance or whatever is placed under control.
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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: Annee

The brain in the course of normal adolescent into adult development undergoes drastic chemical and neurological changes. You have no way of proving that pubescent "Gender Dysphoria" in many cases will not resolve itself. No hormone treatments or surgery should be permitted until the subject is of legal age to make that call on their own. To do so is tantamount to butchery and abuse!



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: Annee

There have been many cases where a person with dysphoria went through puberty and the mind and body reconciled. You can't say unequivocally that it doesn't work that way.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: In4ormant

I would be willing to bet if given the time for all things to balance out in a natural course of time and maybe some therapy, %99 of "Gender Dysphoria" would sort itself out and be dismissed as passing developmental issues. (or just general nut baggery either way)



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Annee

There have been many cases where a person with dysphoria went through puberty and the mind and body reconciled. You can't say unequivocally that it doesn't work that way.


What year. Who's documentation?

Provide source.

Just saying, I've read a lot of stuff - - - a lot of it crap. I've never read about a trans child going through puberty then changing to their physical sex.


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posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Yeah because Ed Gein just wanted to make his own new package. Play hand nature deals ya. No amount of self deluded and enabled coddling of a mental condition is going to change what you are.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: In4ormant

The reason anyone in the gay, transgender community fights the logic is because they don't want to be considered "defective". If there were a cure for such identity disorders, that would be like saying there is a cure for being black. You end up with a group of people who are offended, believe they are right and that their identity existence is a fact.

This is probably why such people continue to protest, march and act out even when every opportunity to make them equal has been executed. They can't be happy and content as long as the disorder is unresolved. You could put them all on a planet with nothing but like people and the problem still remains. And the suicide rate jumps.

It is almost sad, if it is actually a mental disorder, that we are allowing these people to feed their delusion instead of addressing it.



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

See my comment just prior to yours. Star for sanity!



posted on May, 17 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: sycomix
a reply to: Annee

Yeah because Ed Gein just wanted to make his own new package. Play hand nature deals ya. No amount of self deluded and enabled coddling of a mental condition is going to change what you are.


Ed Gein has nothing to do with this subject.

At least try to contribute something comprehensive and on subject.


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