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Is anyone working on a cure for trans people?

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posted on May, 16 2016 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: yuppa

You beat me to it -- that's what I was alluding to ... eugenics.

The idea we can "fix" people who live lifestyles we don't agree with, eh?

How about racism? Maybe we can find some kind of medication, or remove a part of the brain to "cure" racism in people?


hey while were at it fix that whole free thinking problem as well.
lol.




posted on May, 16 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

After reading more posts, I really think the OP means well, she just doesn't know much about the subject.

Some advice...do not talk much about what you do no know of, you may come out looking very ignorant, as in this case.

However, its just a message board so you are incognito, but in real life that advice helps as well...

good luck



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:04 PM
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An Anorexic person looks in the mirror and thinks they are fat, so we give them therapy and medication.

A man looks in the mirror and thinks he is a woman, and we give them an award and put them on the front page of a magazine.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: Konduit
An Anorexic person looks in the mirror and thinks they are fat, so we give them therapy and medication.

A man looks in the mirror and thinks he is a woman, and we give them an award and put them on the front page of a magazine.


After many years or months of therapy and hormone replacement Or surgery. you forgot that part.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:24 PM
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Just so you know, I have no problem with trans people. I'm Atheist and despise religion. As time goes on however this trans thing is seeming more and more like a religion or cult and that is why I am somewhat concerned about it.

If you don't care,then why the long diatribe?Live and let live..



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:26 PM
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The OP has a point if you consider the basis of the fenomenon of transsexuality: a person that considers him/herself as belonging to the other sex they were born in and having the wish to actually make the transformation (which is different from transgenderism where the person does not wish to make the transition).

The person in question would be suffering from being born in a body that has the wrong sex.
Sometimes these people find out very early, in childhood even. And the parents can see it and feel it too. It is obvious that there has been some weird 'mistake' if you can call it that.

This person can maybe go through childhood pretty easy because you can mask your gender by adjusting your hair and clothes accordingly.
In comes puberty with its gender specific hormones changing the body so drastically, that hair and clothes are simply not cutting it.

Apart from the physicality involved, consider the trauma endured by these individuals. Dealing with how they view their selves and dealing with how others view them. Seeing the only 'cure' is to be in a body that has the correct sex.

But changing sex is not so easy. There is a lot of convincing to do before you even receive so much as a hormone treatment. By the time this person has had a sex change operation a lot of damage has been done.

I don't want to be demeaning but it reminds me of the importance of software testing. The sooner the flaw is noticed and corrected in the process, the less are the costs.
Now if only this 'fault' could be detected and corrected as early as in the womb, I think a lot of transexuals would endorse it. Because they know what they had to go through.

Now I am not for this kind of genetic manipulation. Heck when I was pregnant , I didn't even want to test for down syndrome even though I could. People shouldn't mess with nature unless it saves lives or immense suffering. But I believe that transexuals do suffer from their 'condition'.

I think (or hope) the OP meant to say that it would be a good thing for transexuals if we could find a way to have them born in the correct body in the first place.

Ethically this would take a lot of debating and research before a treatment like this would ever be possible (if at all). I am still on the fence for this one.

Cheers.





edit on 16-5-2016 by z00mster because: Grammar



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
As I said in another thread:

They're just people.

As long as they don't hurt anyone, I don't care what they do, because it doesn't personally affect (or bother) me.


So, OP, they aren't hurting you or affecting your life in a negative way (and if you feel that they *are*, then you need to really look at and ponder *yourself,* because it's not them, it's you (and everyone else getting their panties' in wads)).

But you say

I only say a cure because, well, what's better, paying a ton of cash and risking your life to feel normal, or just feeling normal from the start..?

I admit I dont' understand the trans thing, but I am for equal rights of all.


I got it now. You're only wanting to look out for and "help" them, or at least you want to *normalize* something you don't understand under the GUISE of helping them.

Got it. smh

Just let them be. They seem to be doing just fine until people get all in their business and think they don't deserve x or they should be doing y, like everyone else.

Le sigh.


Last post by me, like I said I only meant well. I probably should have called it something other than "cure", my bad.

Lots of posts in this help me understand more about this, like I said I don't know much about it, now I know a bit more right. That's a good thing.


Also, maybe mental illness was wrong term too, it's just a term I have a mental illness like I said, anxiety. Also would I like it if I had been born without it rather than with it, I says yes definitely. Mental illness is not an insult and if you think it is you are ignorant.

Someone said I would get along with hitler, that's rediculous. He was absolute scum. I said equal rights for ALL. Wtf is wrong with you?

I only made the post to try and get some info and understand a bit more about it because to me it was seeming like a problem they had and nobody was talking about a solution to it.

I'm the most equal rights guy there is. I don't even believe in race because we are all the same race, human being. All human beings deserve equal rights unless they are harming others (like terrorist scum). I'm on the side of all earthlings, I don't even hurt insects, I rescue them if I see they need help. I was really just curious about the subject. It's pretty scary how so many of the people who posted automatically assumed and judged me to be a bad person. Wow crazyness..

Like I said before, I hear about this like every day now in some way or another and the trans people are always coming from a position where they have gone through all kinds of bad times. In my mind I was thinking hey wouldn't it be nice if they didn't have to have any bad times, and just had good times?. Then somehow I'm a bad guy for thinking that. I don't get it.

I always vote for the most liberal and most scientific parties in government. I am on the side of equal rights for all. I was simply asking a question, phrased badly I'll admit, but still. How many of you just read the title and posted and not read anything that I wrote? Probably a lot I'm guessing by the answers.

Like I said in my posts from the info I had (which was limited to what the media pumps out) I was not aware of trans happening anywhere in nature (other than for reproduction) and nowhere else in human history. Based on that, it seemed like some recent thing has happened to make this a thing. From the info I had every type of sexuality or gender occurred in nature as well as humans except trans. If it was happening the whole time forever, well, I just had never heard of any before, that's all.

Thanks to the very few of you who actually posted decent posts, I learned a bit and understand more about it now. To those who posted ignorant, judgemental or ridiculous posts, you're not helping anything and are part of the problem.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

People can choose to live their life however they want. But there is a difference between helping to cure someone from a mental illness rather than enabling it.

The Transgender community has the highest suicide rates out of every demographic in the US, yet for some reason it is a lifestyle that is promoted by the media.

Suicide Attempts among Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Adults


One of the biggest studies on the experiences of transgender people was the 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS). It found that in the U.S., 41 percent of transgender and gender non-conforming people had attempted suicide, compared to a national average of just 4.6 percent.

edit on 16-5-2016 by Konduit because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: z00mster
The OP has a point if you consider the basis of the fenomenon of transsexuality: a person that considers him/herself as belonging to the other sex they were born in and having the wish to actually make the transformation (which is different from transgenderism where the person does not wish to make the transition).

The person in question would be suffering from being born in a body that has the wrong sex.
Sometimes these people find out very early, in childhood even. And the parents can see it and feel it too. It is obvious that there has been some weird 'mistake' if you can call it that.

This person can maybe go through childhood pretty easy because you can mask your gender by adjusting your hair and clothes accordingly.
In comes puberty with its gender specific hormones changing the body so drastically, that hair and clothes are simply not cutting it.

Apart from the physicality involved, consider the trauma endured by these individuals. Dealing with how they view their selves and dealing with how others view them. Seeing the only 'cure' is to be in a body that has the correct sex.

But changing sex is not so easy. There is a lot of convincing to do before you even receive so much as a hormone treatment. By the time this person has had a sex change operation a lot of damage has been done.

I don't want to be demeaning but it reminds me of the importance of software testing. The sooner the flaw is noticed and corrected in the process, the less are the costs.
Now if only this 'fault' could be detected and corrected as early as in the womb, I think a lot of transexuals would endorse it. Because they know what they had to go through.

Now I am not for this kind of genetic manipulation. Heck when I was pregnant , I didn't even want to test for down syndrome even though I could. People shouldn't mess with nature unless it saves lives or immense suffering. But I believe that transexuals do suffer from their 'condition'.

I think (or hope) the OP meant to say that it would be a good thing for transexuals if we could find a way to have them born in the correct body in the first place.

Ethically this would take a lot of debating and research before a treatment like this would ever be possible (if at all). I am still on the fence for this one.

Cheers.






I know my last post was right before this one but, yeah, Z00m is bang on here. Thanks, glad you can understand my terrible writing skills. You put it in a much nicer way, thanks.

Thanks.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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I dont understand why people are freaking out and misreading what the OP wrote.

There are many truths to what they wrote, just bc you dont like em, doesn't change them. If you being sooo offended hinders the ability to discuss and hash out an issue, then are you really even being progressive or conducive to society?

Anyway, the OP is stating that; if being born in the wrong body is part of the problem that TRANS (read NOT the rest of society) people encounter, and the only solution is painful surgeries and therapy, then why can't we as a whole eliminate this issue for them...We most likely will have this ability very soon.

We can eliminate the possibility of someone being born as a different gender than what their brain and chemicals are wired for by making sure they are born as the proper/matching gender.

This isn't bigoted, transphobic etc...it's simply trying to remove the massive hurdles that trans people face right out of the starting block.

This idea should be praised by trans and their supporters rather than demonized, its literally an idea to remove all aspects of physical, emotional, and societal issues that trans people face.

Put aside your programmed and oh so sensitive bias and actually read what the OP is saying, instead of criticizing and demonizing because of the indoctrinated hot button issue.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Chickensalad

"if being born in the wrong body is part of the problem"

How can someone be born in the wrong body through???

Seems to me that if indeed we have an immortal soul that participates is the act of incarnation, time and time again, it would be of an asexual nature.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: DumpMaster

You're welcome


I have encountered a lot of transexuals in my life. One being a relative who has (or had) the title oldest person to make the transition. She has suffered a lot as a man. But I am so happy for her she could (and can) spend the remainder of her life, in a female body.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: DumpMaster

Your OP seemed to be stated clear enough to me. I didn't see any sign of malice or prejudice either. I think much of the backlash you received was unwarranted, and unavoidable. Politics seem to bring out some primal instincts that just drive people out of their minds. Once people have chosen a side, the fact that you're on the wrong side (from their point of view) overrides all other factors.

You seem to dislike religion due to its relation with some primitive and destructive tribal instincts. Perhaps in addition to what you were looking for, this thread can display other manifestations of those instincts for you to analyse. Nice talking to you!



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

You're just playing semantics with words and specific definitions now. Most likely in a terrible attempt to find something to criticize. Which really gets us no further in our discussion.

We are talking about the physical body, not the possibility of the soul or anything.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: Konduit

OP means transexuals not transgenders.
Significant difference.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:56 PM
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Well I'm glad you made another tans thread, something this site is missing, maybe you can tell us all its the fault of SJWs and liberals, because that would be a real twist on affairs, I wish there were a cure for bigots, but unfortunately history shows, we've been stuck with those since humans existed. No cure in sight



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Which is why I find it implausible that a 'cure' will soon be found. We simply don't fully comprehend how it all works.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: z00mster

Read the study I posted. Transsexuals are gender non-conforming adults.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: z00mster

the "cure" is to take hormones and surgery so the transgender can live comfortably and happily for the rest of his/her life.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: Chickensalad

"You're just playing semantics with words and specific definitions now."

Ok then how can anyone be born into the wrong body??? Question stands!

"Most likely in a terrible attempt to find something to criticize."

I could criticize humanity all day long buddy, its not like i would ever be short of material. LoL

There is no further discussion to be had, people are simply people.



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