History of Freemasonry Help

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: TerryDon79

according to their sources freemasonry could be 6000 years old.. But you know the rituals, messes the timeline..

6000 years? I thought you said it was no older than 1717AD?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hey this is a great link

Now try the ptolemy almagest with it.. apples and oranges...1717

a reply to: PanPiper

Wow. A list of constellations.

You going to post your proof or more irrelevant links?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Start working yourself to each and everyone of those 32 constellations and i bet you have a nice set of masonry tools..
No it wasnt a creator that made 32 constellations, it was a human.. And all they wanted was a working calendar..

a reply to: PanPiper

You going to post your proof about Masonry's history or more irrelevant nonsense?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

There isnt any masonry history, its a story you made up..
There is not a magical templar fictional story, they were just escorting merchants..
There isnt a magical solomons temple, its was just a bartering station..

You are a fundamentalist, who just talk and talk, and talk...

There isnt a Cthulhu god, its a book made by somone with a great imagination..
You arent even in this world anymore August.. you are living in your own fantasy..

Its 1717,,, It will always be 1717..

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Start working yourself to each and everyone of those 32 constellations and i bet you have a nice set of masonry tools..
No it wasnt a creator that made 32 constellations, it was a human.. And all they wanted was a working calendar..

I fail to see the relevance to the history of Freemasonry.

Maybe you can actually refer to the history in some kind of way? Oh, make sure it's in English.

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

There isnt any masonry history, its a story you made up..
There is not a magical templar fictional story, they were just escorting merchants..
There isnt a magical solomons temple, its was just a bartering station..

You are a fundamentalist, who just talk and talk, and talk...

Proof?

In English.

a reply to: PanPiper

Still waiting on this:

originally posted by: PanPiper
...I can even show you why their claims are false.. Cause i do have the facts to back it up...

A list of constellations and the name of a 2nd century Greek mathematician are not really backing up anything you say.

a reply to: PanPiper

...Its 1717,,, It will always be 1717..

Apart from the bits that aren't?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

So why do you have the 32 constellations in your lodges? Amusement ?
Ptolemy named them once, and it sure wasnt the name you are using..

Ancient Indians used them to navigate, or to be truthful, they were Gypsies with sacks of food.. The cause of an alphabet wasnt really to write the bible, it was to make a grocery list.. And they had taxation on those bartering stations.. Mostly for maintenance..

The gypsies started the first Templar order, not of a wild fantasy, but because they expanded their trade route.. The one you follow, but you have a weird fantasy about it..

Now you can take your masonclub and well give it to someone who believes your weird fantasies..

a reply to: PanPiper

Proof?

a reply to: TerryDon79

Buy a telescope and a astronomy book.

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: TerryDon79

Buy a telescope and a astronomy book.

I've got both. That proves there's stars, moons and planets.

I want proof of what you were saying.

originally posted by: PanPiper
So why do you have the 32 constellations in your lodges? Amusement ?

There are no constellations in my lodge or any other lodge I have visited. If you were actually a Mason and not some multiple account creating poser on an internet forum you would know this.

You have any more 'proof'?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Go look again

originally posted by: PanPiper
Go look again
,

Why, it will be the same, no constellations. Maybe you can post some pictures from your lodge.

a reply to: PanPiper
Personal development is not a lie. Freemasonry is, first and foremost, an initiatic order whose rituals attempt to transform men both spiritually and morally. The ritualistic initiation is what separates Freemasonry from the other fraternal and philanthropic organizations such as the Kiwanis or the Rotary.

a reply to: PanPiper
Ritual isn’t just important to Freemasonry or religions or cults; it is an important aspect of society and human existence. There are a number of categories of rituals such as social rituals, military rituals, celebratory rituals, worship rituals, funerary rituals, bardic rituals, and initiatic rituals. Rituals remind us of what is important as well as providing a sense of stability and continuity in our lives; it educates us in the values of an organization, allows for knowledge to be passed from generation to generation unchanged, and binds the members together, not just in the Lodge, but across time and space.

a reply to: PanPiper
1717 is where the history of the Grand Lodge system starts.

a reply to: PanPiper
Nothing's the exact same, but maybe the brotherhood, the camaraderie.

a reply to: PanPiper
Where do the lies start then?

Why are our claims false?

a reply to: PanPiper
No Masonic history? Except those Lodge records that preceded the 1717 Grand Lodge.

What "magical templar fictional story"?

Are you saying Solomon's Temple didn't exist?

a reply to: KSigMason

Kabbalah, Suffism, is another approach to abrahamic religions.. One of them had a Torah the other had a Quran..
Every religion comes with an opposite counter balance.. Its the way the world works, realism vs. idealism..Its Holding the four cardinal virtues of a thought declaring what humanity could be..

When you hold the KJV in your hand try to understand why you dont hold any other book than the KJV..

King solomons temple, or the temple mount is a courtyard were merchants gathered it was not much more than that..

An english translation made in 1380, does not mean you are from that era.

a reply to: PanPiper

And what does any of that have to do with the history of freemasonry?