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originally posted by: JDmOKI
We all know why people make these arguments and it's not to be skeptical at least be honest.
And Muhammad spoke to angles in a cave and shiva has 8 arms.... I think
It's a gut punch argument made to piss off Christians and do it because it works.
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: defiythelie
And all these records exist? Did they make copies?
I'm not even Christian just calling people out on their tactics to incite emotions.
Oh and my amazement at why some atheists defends Islam yet criticize everything Christian.
You have proof of Muhammad because he actually controlled and took all of Arabia through war and raids.
Just as I said before the poor and uneducated probably can't write and jesus mostly was with the poor. So having few records makes sense. We will never know for sure the rest is speculation and bias
originally posted by: PanPiper
So i had a discussion on ATS about if Jesus was a living person or not, so i just wanted to share with you a story.
Skeptics have often pointed out that no archaeological evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ has been discovered. And they are correct, at least perhaps up until the present. A recent incredible discovery may put to rest that criticism.
A secondary issue must first be considered. Is it reasonable to expect such artifacts or inscriptions? After all, the man Jesus was not a prominent governmental leader. He was essentially an itinerant preacher, with few possessions, and eventually suffered the death of a common outlaw. Would the Romans have recorded His life or death with an inscription or statue? Certainly not.
With or without the ossuary or other archeological evidence, we can still be confident that the events are true. The Christian faith is a reasonable faith, well grounded in the facts of history, and the Bible is an entirely accurate document. On its teachings we can base our lives and eternal destiny.
Like the text says, its all based on faith..
On the partially damaged block is a dedication to the deified Augustus and Livia ("the Divine Augusti"), the stepfather and mother of emperor Tiberius, originally placed within a Tiberieum, probably a temple dedicated to Tiberius. It has been deemed authentic because it was discovered in the coastal town of Caesarea, which was the capital of Iudaea Province during the time Pontius Pilate was Roman governor. The partial inscription reads (conjectural letters in brackets):
[DIS AUGUSTI]S TIBERIÉUM
The translation from Latin to English for the inscription reads:
To the Divine Augusti [this]
...prefect of Judea
...has dedicated [this]
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Annee
I'm atheist and believe there was a man (or men) the Myth Jesus story came out of.
Personally, I think the "Jesus Story" is just like Isaiah's "Suffering Servant", meant to be seen as an allegorical personification of the Nation of Israel......crucified by the Romans.
I actually believe there is a real story. The "terrorist" one.
He was no pacifist. But, that's not what the threads about.
ite this article: John D. Morris, Ph.D. 2002. Has Archaeological Evidence for Jesus Been Discovered?. Acts & Facts. 31 (12).
"The dealer who sold it was a man of questionable reputation who had a history of inappropriate dealings with various museums and government agencies," Eric Meyers, an archaeologist at Duke University, told National Geographic several months ago.
Meyers doesn't question whether the box is genuine and dates back to the first century. But he never believed the inscription was authentic.
"Jesus Box" Is a Fake, Israeli Experts Rule
a reply to: JDmOKI Why would the Romans make record of it? Because they made records of even the most mundane things as did the Egyptians. Much like we do today.
originally posted by: Seede
This bible bashing is simply just that.
Joh 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Mt 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Ac 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
So by all of this why should a little preacher among hundreds of little preachers have any more recognition in Roman records when in fact Jesus' death was never approved by Rome or even considered in the Roman courts?
Josephus provides an informed account of the activities of the Zealots in the Ancient worlds. His information has led to extensive knowledge concerning the political atmosphere of the time and the relevant information on zealots in the ancient world. Allen informs the audience that "Josephus refers to the Zealots as the "fourth Jewish philosophy," founded by Judas the Galilean (in 6 A.D.); he strongly contends that all succeeding troubles including the burning of the Temple can be traced to his teaching"