Schools reject Obama transgender decree: ‘Straight into the paper shredder’

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: yuppa
1/3rd isnt the entire state. And since the constitution has been fixed to prevent secession

Where exactly does the COTUS mention that?

Suprem court has said states have no right to leave. Look it up. Roberts was asked this.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: yuppa
1/3rd isnt the entire state. And since the constitution has been fixed to prevent secession

Where exactly does the COTUS mention that?

Suprem court has said states have no right to leave. Look it up. Roberts was asked this.

Yes, I got involved in one of those discussions a while back.

General consensus: they can try, but legally can't do it.

Would be interesting to see what happens if they try.

a reply to: network dude

If you were pigeonholed as a racist homophobe before you could open your mouth, it might piss you off a bit as well, but you aren't, so it's fair to say you just don't get it.

I've heard so much bellyaching from so many different kinds of people about how we're all supposed to not care about what people think or say...

I'm sure there are a few other people who could make a similar complaint - about actual racists and homophobes

Life's a bitch

My two penneth worth.....this is going to make life even more difficult for transgenders. Most people are sick to death of minority demands, pc crap and constantly being "forced" to accept the minute 0.01% of people making these demands. I wholeheartedly believe all this fuss and law passing knee jerk reactions is purposeful....designed to create yet more fear of those folk they don't understand etc

But
A case in point regarding the whole transgender issue of is it a choice or illness....my ex went through 2yrs of psychological counselling which is compulsory here in the UK before transgender re-assignment surgery after being a tranny his entire life. Turns out he figured out for himself that it wasn't a case of "oh I was born this way" it was because he didn't feel like much of a man, couldn't compete at school, was weak & sickly, his older brother was always sticking up for him, he was bullied for being small and skinny nerd, didn't like male company as he felt out of place and couldnt' relate to the football loving lager swilling guys so he thought he'd have a better life as a girl and started dressing up...escapism and fantasy. He'd no clue what the problem was particularly, there was no internet no-one to ask and its taken him until meeting me to actually find help. He's now ENORMOUSLY grateful he didn't have surgery and had counselling which kick started his own thinking. So whilst I wouldn't say mental illness I would say for the majority of trannies/transgenders I've met it can be a psychological problem. Oh and he wasn't gay....he always said he would probably be a lesbian transgender!! Oh the complications

But
I will say also that I've met a few that are clearly in the wrong bodies which I presume is a chromosome or hormonal issue

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I can't really argue with any of that - which is just as well because I don't feel like arguing tonight. I wish I could explain how much this political correctness battle we've got going on here interests me. We're constantly over correcting - first one way and now the other

We've really jumped the shark here in America - nowhere left to go. Honest discussion is almost impossible, there's no middle ground. The campaign was a complete success

I guess we all have to bully someone, huh?

We don't have to - and most of us don't. But it's not like anyone notices anymore. I have no idea how we're going to fix this. Very real bigotry is completely camouflaged

Redskins and Confederate flags, BLM and safe spaces, gay marriage...and little kids that were fortunate enough to be born into a time when people are beginning to recognize gender isn't necessarily this or that. Unfortunately, this sets them up to be humiliated, scorned and punished by people that think their personal beliefs are more important than showing a child some basic respect

Hard to tell where bullying starts and stops sometimes - but some things are still worth arguing about I think

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: yuppa

We aren't a state. we are a republic that entered the union via a treaty. We have always had the theoretical ability to remove ourselves from the union, or to vote to fracture our state into smaller states that are easier to manage for a central government.

We aren't a true state. We are a nation that agree to join up with the US. We even fought our war of independance. And won.

The only folks who might hand wring over us seceeding are some of the folks along i-35. Well, and maybe the folks on base when we seized the US military bases. And the Federal Reserve in Dallas.

If texas tried to claim the military bases the US would do just as it did in the civil war. Those properties are US property not TEXAS property. Same as the reserve. Texas would get a UN coalition used against it very soon if they did that.

Texas should had never joined in the first place. they joined to protect them from mexico. Im sure texas didnt read the fine print on the deal.

Anyway the US could embargo texas and also keep mexico from sending in supplies. no fly zones would happen,and useage of US military hardware would be deemed terrorism by anyone but official US army not texas republic forces.
Damming the water flowing into texas as well as guarding the ocean entry to prevent supply that way would ensure texans starve and thirst to death.

This would get very ugly very very fast if Texas pushed the issue. If its just Texas secceeding its gonna fail.

But this is all because a TEXANS PRIDE and refusing to budge on a simple issue of a bathroom. Way to go Texas.

well, actually this sidebar began as a hypothetical.

Our Republic will not leave the union over this. That would be just silly.

a reply to: Freija

It's a good article.

Wow, that sounds pretty boring and honestly, as a species we are more diverse than the black and white world you seem to want things to be. Everyone has multiple identities that blend together to create the unique person that they are.

But it really isn't boring! Think about it this way: you have one identity, your name, yourself. A name and a person that for the people you meet in life and get to know, brings to mind a million different conscious and subconscious associations, so many that's it's impossible to recognize and list them all. To those certain people you know, your identity as a person is inimitable. There's no verbal canvas that can cover your personhood.

That's reality. Everything else is a media/cultural/cybernetic fantasy. No one sees someone they know and thinks "oh, there's the homosexual punk rocker". Even if those are the first thoughts that come to mind, a thousand different subconscious associations are also brought forth. No matter how hard people would like to see the "homosexual punk rocker" with no further description necessary, that's not actually what they see. I know for a fact it isn't.

Identities are very powerful, very sacred. Everyone is just one person. Even if they have multiple outward "identities" that they project at various times and situations, they're one person. It's not boring, it's the most intricate possible understanding of individuals. Untold personal facets encompassed by one living organism. Factionalism is the behavior of monkeys, and we're speaking of society's "progress", are we not?

But actually you're quite right, this is all very unrealistic isn't it? As unrealistic as we choose to make it.

I understand this veers away from the transgender debate in particular, but maybe I commented here because I hate to see movements, that are based at the core on goodness and decency, descend into the same factionalist monkey behavior that they were conceived against. That's why I sometimes rail so hard against modern liberalism. With conservatives, I know exactly what I'm getting-- good old fashioned monkey behavior. With liberals and progressives, I'm told that they're about something different, that they seek progress, but what do I see? The same old monkey behavior with a little sugar on the top.

You don't throw gasoline to put out a fire, you throw water.

originally posted by: Talorc
I understand this veers away from the transgender debate in particular, but maybe I commented here because I hate to see movements, that are based at the core on goodness and decency, descend into the same factionalist monkey behavior that they were conceived against. You don't fight fire with fire, you fight it with water.

Yeah, we have drifted into strange realms here and I'm not quite sure what you're saying isn't going over my head? I am blonde after all and in my sixties so I'm not clear if I'm getting your point or just hearing the whoosh so help me out.

What "movements" are you talking about specifically so I can get back on track or maybe find the track I haven't fully connected with yet and what are the factions of the monkey behavior you're talking about? What I'm getting is you either have a thing for 10-second sound byte, superficial pop media Facebook/Reddit/Tumblr/Twitter Internet culture or religious fundamentalism "goodness and decency" gone awry? Is this a liberal/conservative thing or an LGB thing? Is it social progressiveness and equality and civil rights issues or because you're stuck in your ways and slow or unwilling to adapt fast enough and it's making you uncomfortable?

Or is what you're saying actually on topic? You know, Obama doing the same thing the conservative republicans are doing and using transgender people and LGB rights issues as pawns to align and polarize, divide and distract? All I know is it sure as hell is making people's heads explode and bringing out the alarmists because their "traditional" values are threatened, which in today's world are often associated with bigotry, racism, prejudice, trans/homo phobia, etc.

Society, culture and things change and whether it is recognized or not, we are in the middle of or on the cusp of something big that is a lot more than just bathrooms.

Discuss. Want to understand and am enjoying the exchange. (am out for the evening though)

ETA: I read you edit after I posted which clarified what you're talking about somewhat. Too tired to edit what I wrote but I sort of get it now. Let's keep talking to further understanding and maybe find middle or common ground?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: yuppa

We aren't a state. we are a republic that entered the union via a treaty. We have always had the theoretical ability to remove ourselves from the union, or to vote to fracture our state into smaller states that are easier to manage for a central government.

We aren't a true state. We are a nation that agree to join up with the US. We even fought our war of independance. And won.

The only folks who might hand wring over us seceeding are some of the folks along i-35. Well, and maybe the folks on base when we seized the US military bases. And the Federal Reserve in Dallas.

If texas tried to claim the military bases the US would do just as it did in the civil war. Those properties are US property not TEXAS property. Same as the reserve. Texas would get a UN coalition used against it very soon if they did that.

Texas should had never joined in the first place. they joined to protect them from mexico. Im sure texas didnt read the fine print on the deal.

Anyway the US could embargo texas and also keep mexico from sending in supplies. no fly zones would happen,and useage of US military hardware would be deemed terrorism by anyone but official US army not texas republic forces.
Damming the water flowing into texas as well as guarding the ocean entry to prevent supply that way would ensure texans starve and thirst to death.

This would get very ugly very very fast if Texas pushed the issue. If its just Texas secceeding its gonna fail.

But this is all because a TEXANS PRIDE and refusing to budge on a simple issue of a bathroom. Way to go Texas.

well, actually this sidebar began as a hypothetical.

Our Republic will not leave the union over this. That would be just silly.

On that we both agree. I was just stating what the feds will do if push comes to shove.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

This is why extensive counseling is important BEFORE any irreversible changes are made.

Just to speak from the other side of the fence though, for most of the transgender people I personally have met, it was not a psychological problem - it was a biological problem.

"Your attitude to this is 90% of the problem. Conform to what I want or else doesn't get results. The more you push your agenda the more push back you will get...it's common sense.

Stop acting like a bully."


She is a bully in every thread. The far left has lost it's got dang mind. I used to be a liberal. But they have just gone so far off the deep end that I now regret ever agreeing with some of the asinine things they say. I voted Obama in 08 Johnson in 12 and Trump 2016 baby. The hate is real. But it's not from the right and I ask all of you do your own research. There are a large number of cases where the same guy can be flying a Bernie sign and get love and then he flies a Trump sign and gets physically attacked by these left wing socialist fascists.

a reply to: NthOther

I hear ya! Enough is enough. I don't even know where this came from.

a reply to: Annee

Closed minded to this? I think the closed minded are the ones who believe there is only one way this happens , one way to fix it , and one way for society to deal with it. I don't need to accommodate a person's belief of transgender . From what I understand it can change ... Gender fluidity , etc. It's not up to me to make sure they know what bathroom to use. Who the *** cares? So make it an issue and force it upon those of us who don't want it forced on us. I'm sick of it myself and I think there are greater things going on than transgender . We get it , Bruce it Caitlyn. We get it some people feel like they are the opposite sex , so what?

a reply to: Profusion

The reality is, he doesn't have to sue each individual school district or state, he can just stop funding them entirely. If they want to behave like private schools and ignore federal mandates, they can find their own funding. Until then, like him or not, Obama is still our Commander in Chief and like it or not, Title IX has been in place longer than he has. Separate but equal has never worked because those doing the separating tend to favor one side or the other.

Sometimes, school is the only place where these kids can actually be themselves, so why take that from them? They're just kids, and some of them are going to decide after a while that they don't feel that way anymore, but a far larger amount of them are not, and this will set a precedent not only in how they expect they should be treated later in life but also in whether or not those other kids who are not trans are going to treat trans people in their life. School is for learning and the acquisition of knowledge. Some kids didn't like integration of public schools, but they sure learned to accept it and most turned out to be halfway decent human beings for it.

The bottom line is, if you make it a big deal, it's going to be one, but if you accept the fact that people can't choose how they are born or how they feel about who they are, it ultimately makes it easier. Not to mention the fact that 99.9% of what people do in the bathroom is use it and that other .1% that are there to harm someone else are not going to be deterred. Do you remember how making drugs illegal totally stopped people from using and distributing them? Neither do I. Just let people use the damn bathroom they feel like they should be using and if they don't choose to use it for waste evacuation purposes, punish the individual, not the crowd. This has to be handled on a case by case basis. Finally, if you are a parent who feels it is wrong for your child to be exposed to something that is normal on a biological level, put them in some private school that doesn't allow it and allows them to live in the bubble you want them to.

originally posted by: seeknoevil
I don't need to accommodate a person's belief of transgender . From what I understand it can change ... Gender fluidity , etc.

It is not a belief.

Gender fluidity is not Gender Dysphoria.

Well, we wouldn't want to inconvenience you, now would we?

There are trolls and social engineers amongst us here, so don't waste your time . It's obvious. They are everywhere. Shills , trolls, instigators , etc,. if you step back and look closely , they reveal themselves. This place is crawling with them. Save your breath.Just FYI or something to think about.....

a reply to: Annee

I guess no more than you are inconvenienced. I personally don't like to be inconvenienced , but hey , it happens. I can deal with it.. The diatribe over this has gone way past that .. And people just aren't going to agree and that is okay. Yes, no reason to make a mountain out of a molehill .

originally posted by: seeknoevil
a reply to: Annee

I guess no more than you are inconvenienced. I personally don't like to be inconvenienced , but hey , it happens. I can deal with it.. The diatribe over this has gone way past that .. And people just aren't going to agree and that is okay. Yes, no reason to make a mountain out of a molehill .

How am I or you incovenienced?

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: Annee

Everything liberal these days is separate but "equal".

Affirmative action: separate but equal.
College "safe spaces": separate but equal.

Modern black people now want segregation willingly.. you can't make this stuff up.

I'm a "modern day" black person and I nor any black people that I have ever known wanted segregation. Don't lump us all in one pile , man. And affirmative action has never done a damned thing for me or anyone in my family or any black people that I've ever known. Affirmative action hasn't done a damn thing for the majority of black people.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: Annee

Everything liberal these days is separate but "equal".

Affirmative action: separate but equal.
College "safe spaces": separate but equal.

Modern black people now want segregation willingly.. you can't make this stuff up.

Oh, and I'm neither liberal or conservative.