Obama Admin Rule Forces Hospitals, Doctors Accepting Federal Funds to .......

a reply to: Granite

Is there a link? If so point me to it so I can research please. I think its tied in to a lot of stuff....

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: kaylaluv

Uh huh. A sexual fetish is not the same thing as being a transgender person. Pedophilia is not the same thing as being a transgender person.

The 'argument' breaks down when certain people like Obama, and his followers try to argue SCIENCE for the win.

There are two sexes for homo sapiens.

Male, and female.

There is NO third one.

Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise person") is the binomial nomenclature (also known as the scientific name) for the only extant human species.

en.wikipedia.org...

For those that don't know what BINOMIAL means.

www.dictionary.com...

How about people stop making up words.

POLITICAL words at that.

Wrong again.

Intersex

Not to mention, the discussion is not about sex, but about gender.

Dictionary that.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: DBCowboy

Gender transition is now a medically necessary procedure?

I agree with the abortions part, as it is medically necessary, even life saving at times.

Did anyone actually research this? The government isn't paying for these procedures. They're merely requiring that the hospitals have the services available for those who wish to buy them.

Hospitals are also required to provide emergency medical evaluation and treatment to anyone who walks through the door if they want to be able to take medicare. That doesn't mean that Medicare is going to pay for these ER bills. The government is merely leveraging medicare to encourage a public policy agenda.

originally posted by: GodEmperor
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When do the thought police arrive?

Unfortunately they are here already. Haven't you noticed?

It seems at this point that the Obama administration, and Obama himself, are simply doing everything in their power to destroy the U.S. as fast as possible. Conservative values are being attacked left and right in an attempt by the far left to destroy as much of western culture as possible.

Children being indoctrinated and forced to accept views they might not even agree with, and guess what? they are children and they will emulate whatever environment they grow up in.

Just take a look at what happens to the majority of children who grow up in the ghetto. The majority learn to live that life, and proclaim they have no way to get out of it.

What happens to children who grow up in a NAZI environment? The majority become the true racists that exist out there, and become violent.

When children are forced to learn everything there is about a way of life, more children, even those who are not "trapped in the wrong body" will still pick up that way of life because their minds are malleable, and there will be children that are not "trapped in the wrong body" who will be confused and believe they are.

I'll give you as an example. The sister(half sister) of a cousin of mine is trans-gender, our family gets along with them just fine. The trans-gender espouse is with another woman who has two children. Now both children want to get a sex change, and the couple do not want them to do it because they think the children might be confused and not truly trans-gendered. Instead they want to wait until the children are older and see what happens then.

Society is trying to be too acommodating and wants to give children at an early age sex changes, but what happens to those children that are not trans gender, or change their opinion as they age? What happens once they have done the transition? They can't go back.

What happens when you teach children about sex at an early age? Guess what? what children are being taught, is what a lot of them will pick up and will do.

Children should just be allowed to be children, teach them to stay away from strangers, never accept a gift from a stranger, etc. Do teach them about respecting others different than them but this is not what is happening. Children shouldn't even be taught about sex, they are "children". There are other more important things they should learn.

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a reply to: Gryphon66

Not wrong about a GD thing.

Using artificial means to 'change' ones sex is against the NATURAL ORDER.

There ARE ONLY TWO SEX's for humans.

a reply to: neo96

what is "natural order" to you?

originally posted by: In4ormant
They determine your orientation.

You aren't a gay man who prefers blonde women with big boobs.

You aren't a gay woman who prefers tall bearded brunettes with chest hair.

It's deterministic.
You saying preference doesn't determine orientation doesn't make it so.

Chicken and the egg.


Why don't you answer a series of yes and no questions so there could be an actual debate. Been plenty put out there but everyone wants to dodge them.

Not really.

A gay man can have a preference for a blond man, or a brunette man..but will not have a preference for either if they belong to a Woman.

Preference is different to orientation.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: neo96

what is "natural order" to you?

I want to know why people are intentionally being obtuse.

Humans comes out in one of two ways. Either male or female.

Either is NO third 'option'.

No amount of big pharmaceuticals, or surgeries change a persons DNA.

a reply to: neo96

What difference does it make to anyone apart from those who are personally affected...really?

None.

Some people work out to have large, powerful muscular physiques, some people don't want to look or be like that.

Some people like to have dyed multi-coloured hair, some prefer to stay as they are.

Some people like to eat meat, some prefer to avoid it.

With the advent of technology, we have the option to be pretty much anything we want to be...including an alternative gender...so what?

How is a Human being, born as one gender who wishes to be another gender different to the above and all other examples of changing how we were when born?

We're not born with multi-coloured hair, or strong, muscular physiques, we're not born eating meat either for that matter.

Why is there an outcry over someone modifying their gender, and not over those modifying their bodies and personas in different ways?

Live and let live.

a reply to: neo96

You are hung up on just the physical. DNA is just the physical. The brain is physical too, but it produces consciousness, which is not physical. You may be able to physically see the brain, but you can't physically see consciousness. Gender is part of our consciousness, which makes gender not physical. Sex (dna, chromosomes, sexual organs) is physical, gender is not. Most of the time the conscious identity in the brain matches the physical. With gender dysphoria, it does not.

No, you can never change the dna. We don't know how to change the conscious gender identity in the brain either. But you can change much of the surface physical stuff to help match the conscious identity. It's not perfect, but it's the best we can do right now to help those with gender dysphoria. Therapy doesn't work (although it does help). Anti-depressants don't work (although they might help). Anti-psychotics don't work. You can't reason it away. You can't pray it away. You can't just ignore it away.

Medical science has done the best they can to help those with gender dysphoria, and that's why we have this standard treatment for them.

a reply to: neo96

What is natural to you may not be natural to someone else.

For some people, they were born with a penis and it doesn't seem natural to be a boy so for them to feel "natural" they live their lives as a girl.

I can see how some people do not (or refuse to) understand this.

How about 'some' people stop trying to argue with SCIENCE.

There are only two kinds of people in this world.

Male and female.

Nothing can change that FACT.

a reply to: neo96

You can't change the fact that people have gender dysphoria.

a reply to: neo96

no, there's also intersex....

Luk is what is called intersex – someone with genitalia, reproductive organs and sometimes a set of chromosomes that do not conform to what’s expected of either sex.

Born with vestiges of male genitals and so classified as male, it was only in his teens, when he started to develop breasts, suffer stomach cramps and see blood in his urine that Luk was diagnosed as genetically male but suffering from a condition in which the body is resistant to hormones, such as testosterone, that control the development of male traits. And Luk was 36 before a physical examination revealed an undeveloped uterus and vagina, allowing doctors to classify Luk as hermaphrodite.

www.scmp.com...

a reply to: dawnstar

Geez people still want to go at it.

No what it is is genital mutilation synonymous with what we see in third world countries which most people would call barbaric in those places.

But perfectly 'socially' acceptable here.

Not see how the first world is so 'evolved'.

a reply to: neo96

no, you claimed that there were only two sexes, I pointed out that your were wrong..
there are children who are born with both male and female body parts, and the link I provided proves it.

so, why don't you just admit that you don't know everything about everything, and accept that you are wrong?

so could their be different degrees of intersex, where their body may have developed to the point of being only a male or a female but their mind isn't wired to that gender? I don't know, but at least I am willing to admit...
I don't know!!

How is androgyny connected to giftedness and creativity? According to Silverman (1993), Tolan (1997), Sheely (2000), Piirto (2004), Kerr (1997), Kerr & Cohn (2001) many highly gifted and creative children tend to be androgynous. Jonsson and Carlsson (2000) observed that those who were evaluated using the BSRI and scored as highly androgynous and low, undifferentiated also displayed higher creative functioning. According to Sheely (2000) few highly gifted people conform to gender-role stereotypes and therefore are more androgynous. Tolan (1997) has also found that highly gifted children are more androgynous than other children; they tend to reject strict gender identities. In other words, psychological androgyny should be considered a trait of giftedness. - See more at: sengifted.org...

sengifted.org...

a reply to: neo96

I could go even further with the theory that Androngyny is actually the perfect body and what we should strive for each lifetime but its just a theory.

a reply to: andrewh7

But the government is threatening to NOT contribute money if somebody doesn't comply.