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posted on May, 14 2016 @ 09:46 AM
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So I'm a sanders man. I believe that because America is the richest nation on earth, we could very well implement pieces of social democracy comparable to Switzerland, Germany, France, etc.. And do better than they do. Figure out how to combat any problems that they might have, and come out on top..

Now, that's a great vision and all but I'm having other thoughts as well.

I think we have the most slimy, most psychopathic, most demonic and utterly evil, self serving narcissistic murderers as congressman, senators, etc. I don't trust them with a dime let alone with raising taxes above current levels.

This creates a problem in my mind. Is there really anyone to vote for, to get rid of these evil men? Any system would do much much better if these men were replaced.

So.. Where does that leave me?




posted on May, 14 2016 @ 09:53 AM
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Run for congress



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 09:53 AM
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Why does every supporter of socialist governmental ideals always say, "if" we do it right?

With humans running the show it will never be right.
You can't beat human nature.
edit on 14-5-2016 by Bluntone22 because: spelling



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

It is what it is ..It was created the way it is because it could produce the type of system that the 0000.1% could control . Rothchilds statement about giving him the control of a Nations money and he didn't care who runs the place is a important concept to understand . Using economic warfare is a art that is tied to the very few .They can crush countries without firing a shot from a gun . They can change the dynamics of internal monetary policy and shift a nations direction .They can create world wars .Imaging what they can do to a simple state or states .No mon no fun like they say .



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: Mrgone

I've actually considered it, thanks!


Is no resources a good or bad excuse to believe I wouldn't make it in?



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

The list of top nations in the world disagrees with you.

Unless you're positing America is the only great nation in the entire world..



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:00 AM
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As it is now, isn't the US a relatively happy country, with satisfied people as the dominator, i know you have a lot of poor and homeless people, but isn't the over all view positive or am i wrong.

When i speak to Americans they all ways seem happy and mention that the US is the greatest country on Earth, so somewhere something must be done right.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope



So.. Where does that leave me?

an asshole for thinking you can cut into a 7-8 figure salary while ceo's are hard at work flying around the country first class to play rounds of golf to discuss business.

Don't you know, capitalism is perfect.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

And that is the classic trap of any centrally planned social system.

It hooks you with its promise. It sounds really good on paper, but then you butt up against hard reality. You will never find "the right people." There will always be rampant corruption in the system. The system will always treat you like a number and be devoid of compassion toward your unique situation. The system does not and cannot care, not even if you do "find the right people."

The reality is that everyone has a unique situation, a special exemption, and I am not being sarcastic or cynical. I am telling you the unvarnished truth. There are always special circumstances to everyone's life that makes their hard times different from everyone else's.

We are unique individual, and a system cannot and will not ever reflect that. And it cannot reflect if it is to remain "fair" and that in a nutshell is not fair and it certainly isn't compassionate.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

So what system does your post reference?

Capitalism and free market turned corporatism, I don't rather enjoy that.

Or is your post implying there's no good system that has a large government? Regardless of its associations like capitalism, socialism, etc?



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The current state of capitalism is an epic failure. I don't agree with general socialistic views, but I also don't agree with the ability to use wealth to increase wealth and influence society.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I'm telling you the truth.

There is no fair system.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

What we have is not capitalism. It is something closer to corporatism and a state controlled system than a simple free market system and that is a big part of why it is so skewed.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Term limits.....that's all I have to say.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I know this, you know this, but the majority calls it capitalism.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: deadlyhope

Term limits.....that's all I have to say.


lol congress voting themselves out of a job...



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: deadlyhope

Term limits.....that's all I have to say.


lol congress voting themselves out of a job...


Yeah...I know...it will never happen.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: deadlyhope

I'm telling you the truth.

There is no fair system.

barter system

flashy things become worth a whole lot less when you are hungry and thirsty.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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First and foremost, I think it's a human problem as you stated.

I also think the numbers wouldn't work. The three countries you mentioned have a combined population of, roughly, 160 million spread out over 400,000 square miles. The US is double that, covering nearly 4 million square miles.

I use to believe that it could be done. But the older I got and looked at the world around me, especially at those who are drawn to and in positions of power, my views started changing. I do not believe that 'if' the right people got into power it could be effectively implemented. I don't believe there will ever be the right people. The 'right' people, in my opinion, would never be drawn to those careers in the first place.

I am a proponent for social services that help the most vulnerable people in society and those that need a hand to get back up but I do not believe over-arching social services is what this country needs.



posted on May, 14 2016 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: TheOnlyAnswer

Not sure I agree, we have a huge amount of money per capita, and that's while systems aren't streamlined. Medicine isn't socialized, so if you get a few pills on Medicaid the costs are gouged by hundreds, sometimes thousands of percents.

If America incorporated a lot of things and attempted an efficient model.... Done by ethical men, I think we could be the number one nation in the world for decades to come.

But an ethical and efficient American government is something to laugh, and cry about, as it's both a joke, and unfortunately will never happen.



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