a reply to: DBCowboy
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Society is socialism. Public property (roads, dams, power plants, railway, anything built or paid for by local, state or federal government), public
services, the commons are all socialism. Not to mention things like labour law / code, maternity leave, the 40 hour work week, mandatory holidays etc.
Even insurance (even for profit insurance, so long as it settles legitimate claims) is socialism.
I think most people like who hate socialism, such as you apparently do, do because they labour under misapprehension and prejudice borne out of
intensive, systematic, strident indoctrination and propaganda you've been exposed to all your lives. Possibly ignorance as well.
The (relatively near) future will be socialism or it will be an utter dystopia. Of course, one man's dystopia can be another man's utopia. It's a
question of moral values and ethics.
Why will that be? Because of lots of things but primarily technological unemployment.
Capitalism needs a perpetually geometrically growing money supply or else there is nowhere for businesses' expenses to come from, let alone profits
(which is why the money supply has been growing since the 16th or 17th century and why everyone drops the gold standard although it's not always
obvious immediately). For the money supply to grow, people and businesses need to take out loans. Or the government needs to do deficit spending.
For people to take out loans, they need incomes to theoretically be able to pay back the loan in installments in order to qualify. To have incomes
people generally need jobs. However, the need for human labour (especially low skilled or semi-skilled) is growing thinner by the year, due to
automation. People are being replaced by machines and software. So they can't earn a living. So they can't purchase the cheap abundance automation
would otherwise provide.
Which is where subprime lending came in to prop-up the system and delay the inevitable reckoning.
Businesses will only borrow if they see the demand growing beyond what they can handle or foresee that happen.
That only leaves the government. But the right wing (the people you probably vote for and support) oppose deficit spending because they think money
somehow disappears from existence if it's deficit spending. As if money wasn't created ex nihilo, at basically no cost, in the first place.
Or as if all debts couldn't be paid in an hour if the state just took back from the banks what belonged to it in the first place (the exclusive
privilege of issuing the nation's money, with no debt to pay it back to the issuer who issued it out of nothing, let alone with interest). However,
that's another thing right wingers oppose.
They think it will create inflation, as if the money supply hasn't been expanding geometrically for century upon century already.
It's generally people who think money has (or should have) intrinsic value that believe this utter tripe. That is to say, people who simply are not
able to wrap their minds around the concept of money and can only wrap their minds around the concept of commodities or barter. Unfortunately, they
are the vast majority today. Like I always say, you need either ignorance... obtuseness or malice to belong to the right.
No matter, right wingers will have their comeuppance in the following decades, with 50% or higher unemployment or underemployment, 3rd world wages,
tent cities and homelessness, malnutrition and lack of access to healthcare or medicine, unsanitary living conditions etc.
Oh wait... all of that is pretty much already happening. Except the right blames the left and socialism for it instead of employing reason and logic
to reach the unavoidable conclusion that the current socio-economic model is unsustainable and deeply outdated, primitive and inhuman.
Of course, most people prefer to pretend poverty and destitution under capitalism is totally ok and totally not the equivalent of bread lines under
supposed socialism. And anyone who dies in a supposed socialist country is obviously the victim of socialism whereas anyone who dies in a capitalist
country (for instance, due to not being able to afford necessary health care) is obviously not the victim of capitalism.
Like having to wait in a line for bread in a socialist country under assault by capitalist countries seeking to make an example out of it somehow was
worse than the same person not being able to afford bread at all in a capitalist country.
Because you need double standards to ascribe to a right wing worldview and values.
The irony is, socialist countries fail in the first place because of being sabotaged by neighbouring capitalist countries or worldwide capitalist
hegemons and imperialists who place trade embargoes and economic sanctions on them (which would rightly be viewed as an act of war if anyone else did
that to the hegemon themselves), conduct regime change by proxy or outright invade and destroy the country.
It's all public knowledge. One just needs to overcome their programming and indoctrination to see it.
Let me say this : people who advocate against socialism today will be remembered by future generations as the people who opposed emancipation or equal
suffrage are remembered today.
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