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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DBCowboy
I'm a socialist and while you and I disagree quite a bit about the topic, I'm saddened to hear someone has been messaging you and asking you to shut up.
the military is still a function of govt. but when was the last time you voted on a war?
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Konduit capitalism requires a surplus in labour, so wages can be controlled, which means there will always be unemployed people. It's always been that way so it's about how we manage as a society the surplus labour "unemployed" that capitalism requires. Victorian work houses? Social security or mass poverty?or maybe the good old send people off to fight wars on the behalf of the capitalist
There was a Russian spy who revealed that the plan has always been to undermine capitalism by using social upheaval to incrementally move the political middle from the center. From what i can tell from history they were doing this until the right of center was considered right wing nut job for those who followed the false narrative. Basically redefining reality as we see almost daily with the PC media.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: DBCowboy
Okay, but why is this a topic?
No one running for president wants socialism.
No one on ATS wants socialism that I know of.....
Some people want more implementation of social programs and government funding.. But we have that.
You drive on roads, you go to parks I bet, you might even use electricity or the cities water.
What exactly are you arguing? Who exactly are you arguing against? Socialists hardly exist on this site.
I disagree.
Bernie is a socialist, wants socialism. And many here also want socialism.
I thought that was fairly obvious.
originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: DBCowboy
He calls himself a democratic socialist, first of all.
Second of all - Socialism has come to mean a lot of different things. Roads can be called socialist because they are a government program, for instance - In that aspect, the government does have control over one part of production of one type of service.
The dictionary definition is no longer reliable, we just don't have words for what is practiced, and what is successful in other nations. Switzerland has free-market and capitalistic elements, as well as a larger government, higher payroll taxes and the like - And likely less corporate loop-holes, and subsidies. They are not full on socialistic, so what are they? There's no one word to describe them, so Sanders takes on the most common term used - Socialist.
originally posted by: Gh0stwalker
I find it quite ironic that the OP is toting "no socialism" while awaiting retirement benefits...
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
originally posted by: Annunak1
As long as i can keep working 3/4 days a week. Make me work 5 days a week and i will start a riot! I was not born to work goddammit i was born to live!
I don't mind you working 3 or 4 days a week. That is 100% fine with me. But the second someone takes my money or takes it from my family after I work 6 days a week, and gives it to you since you don't earn enough...you become my enemy as much as those to stole the money from me and my family.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
originally posted by: Char-Lee
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: DBCowboy
Preach it, brother.
I find the idea of a Government taking care of me a lot like moving in with your parents. There is no way to feel good about yourself when something like that happens. Also, once the Government starts taking care of you then they own you. Your freedom is gone.
We are already there.
In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last October.Jul 2, 2014
Yes...but it is far, far worse than that. Not only is it living with your parents, it is the control you end up giving that government. Who are you going to vote for...the ones who pay for your Netflix or the ones who want to give you a job? And when you live at your parents home, you have to follow their rules. Not just out of being respectful, but because if you don't they will stop paying your allowance. It is the government taking from the masses to enslave them, make them conform to their wishes. In brief...it is slavery.
And as I usually do...it is the left that wants this control. Not the right.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
But please, for the love of all things holy, don't ever try to silence people who disagree with you.
I can't help but feel this is the result of strong, decades longs indoctrination to hate or at least despise those poorer than us and deify the plutocrats, the masters of society.
originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: mymymy
The problem is that the aim of socialism is to eliminate capitalism. You're presenting your version of socialism as some sort of balancing act between the two, and that is deceptive.
Let's go back to what "socialism" is, kids:
Do you see how the check-and-balance argument is nonsense? The aim of socialism is to destroy capitalism. They are not complementary systems.
Bernie Sanders is lying to you.
originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: woodwardjnr
And people wonder why a lot of Americans are concerned about illegal immigration and our industry being sent overseas. When you have 8 million undocumented workers and every industry sending it's production to China and Mexico, it tends to tip the scales.
Destruction by design. They are literally priming this country for Socialism.