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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: spav5

Who do you think will be building our infrastructure? Who will supply that effort in services and product? Who will profit the most from the spending of our infrastructure tax dollars? The wealthy. The elite.

Congress' record proves this time and again.

Also, Bernie will be led by the War on Terror and our tax dollars will continue to be poured into that 'fight' as long as there are terrorist attacks and refugees to have to 'help.'

All of it is a money-making scheme for the wealthy and elite.


Hopefully the American people will be building that infrastructure. Right now we use our military to occupy other countries so that the elite, through corporations, can rob that country of their resources. Then they sell those resources back to the us, the taxpayers who funded the military that allowed them rob other nations in the first place, at a high cost.

One president is not going to be able to slay that dragon(the MIC) which may be only one cash cow but it consumes 57%(roughly) of all our tax dollars. We get little benefit from this. We do not need to spend more than the next 25 nations combined for our 'defense". Especially when 24 of those nations are our allies.

It is simply a matter of what we will do with tax payer money and also a matter of not funneling all of the wealth to the top.

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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
If I already participate in feeding the homeless, would that make me exempt from the socialist state and the taxes imposed?

No.

Under socialism, the state controls the means of production. Why would there be hungry people IN THE FIIRST PLACE???


I suppose it would depend on what the laws are. It's your fantasy world so how would I know. You're just talking about hypothetical stuff all on your own.

What makes you think you can feed the homeless yourself anyway. We stop people from doing that all the time now.

The Socialism you're talking about isn't even the Socialism that Sanders talks about anyway. People still have Private Business and Private Property in Democratic Socialism.

It's like you don't even care to understand what he says and would just rather make stuff up as you go along whether it's correct or not.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying you're incorrect about Socialism in the context you're using. But that is your context not his. Democratic Socialism isn't what you're talking about.

Socialism can run a wide variety of ways. It isn't just one single method. It can be tweaked to incorporate Capitalism to various degrees as well. It all just depends on how you want to set it up.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

There's more than enough for societies need, just not nearly enough for the worlds greed... or so a far smarter person than me once said.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism and personal wealth, it just needs to be kept in check with a healthy amount of socialism, is all.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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I'm beginning to understand socialism.

It's a form of government that has to walk a very thin line.

Give the people too much, (freedom, opportunity) and they won't rely on government.

Give the people too little, and they revolt.

Socialism is keeping people fed enough to be docile, but hungry enough so that they obey and rely on the provisions from government.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

If you want it to be that way I suppose. But that isn't Socialism. That is just you're theory of a Corrupt Socialist State is all.

That has nothing to do with what Socialism is supposed to be or what it is or intended to be.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: DBCowboy

If you want it to be that way I suppose. But that isn't Socialism. That is just you're theory of a Corrupt Socialist State is all.

That has nothing to do with what Socialism is supposed to be or what it is or intended to be.


But it has EVERYTHING to do with how socialism would work within our corrupt federal government.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: spav5

Hopefully schmopefully.

I'm not foolish enough to fall for any promises of Hope & Change from the DNC.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

What freedom does a person with no job or welfare check have, in a modern day society? They wouldn't even be able to afford a bus ticket to go to a job interview.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
But it has EVERYTHING to do with how socialism would work within our corrupt federal government.


Ok, now you're getting more specific about what you're talking about. You very well may have a point there. The corruption within our Gov. could very hijack Socialist principles and use them against the populace in a variety of ways. That is certainly debatable and a topic worth looking into maybe. But even then you'd need to show your work and how it would happen and so on. Not just state it outright as if it's already known.

But that's a whole topic all on it's own. The Corruption within our Gov. seems to be doing pretty good by corrupting Capitalism as well. In fact they pretty much try and corrupt whatever they can whenever they can. That isn't the fault of Socialism though. That's the fault of a Corrupt Gov. So why not focus on that instead of misdirecting the problem at Socialism instead of Corruption. Corruption isn't Specific to Socialism. It's not specific to any one system. Corruption will corrupt anything. You're just wasting time trying to link it to Socialism itself as if it's contained there. It's not.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
That's odd. The Catholic church down the road from me feeds the poor every Tuesday and Saturday with soups and bread rolls.

Does that mean Catholics support bread lines and Communism, or do they believe in helping those in need?

Context is key.


Indeed, it is key. The context of the catholic church bread line is charity. The context of Sanders is communism. Communism creates the lines in order to keep the population dependent. The purpose isnt the bread given, but the line itself.

As you said, context.
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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: DBCowboy

If you want it to be that way I suppose. But that isn't Socialism. That is just you're theory of a Corrupt Socialist State is all.

That has nothing to do with what Socialism is supposed to be or what it is or intended to be.


That IS socialism.

I don't know what ideal socialist state you envision, I'm more interested in reality.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: pirhanna

How do you know that is the context Sanders is speaking of??? You don't. He never says anything at all like that. The only thing he says is Breadlines are better than people starving to death without anything at all to eat. That's it. Nothing else is said. No other information is given. You are supplying the added context.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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What's wrong with providing breadlines for the poor?


Bread lines are great until there is no bread.

Socialists always end up regulating the bread producers out of business. The the poor starve.

Look at Venezuela right now. Shortages of bread, flour, coffee, toilet paper, diapers, everything. Venezuela's biggest BEER producer just shut down because they can no longer get the ingredients.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Sanders context with almost all things is communism or a lite version of it. That is exactly his context. Its what he has talked about for 40 years. Its his context with Sandinistas and his visit to the Soviet Union. His context isnt hidden, its explicit, and by his own words for his entire public life.

Sanders context isnt even my opinion. Its what the man says. Its who he unabashedly is.

Venezuela should be an eye opener to the far left. At one time, even I liked Hugo Chavez. In some ways one can admire the guy - he intended to help people -- sound familiar? But his policies destroyed that nation. One has to look at reality. The only places where strong socialism works is with already wealthy countries with homogenous, small, and unchanging populations. Everywhere else, it eats the economy from the inside out until it all collapses.
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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

No. Socialism isn't set up on principles of an Assumed Corrupted Body Government at the head of it. If that was the case nobody would dare consider applying any of it because that would mean you would first need to have Corruption knowingly in place at the top in control of everything. That's just dumb.

You're jumping right to an assumed Corrupted form of Socialism and saying that is Socialism. But that isn't true. It would be the same to start off with a Corrupted version of Capitalism and saying that is Capitalism. But that isn't true. You have to be able to see the difference. You're just inserting that as an assumed premise.

But nobody starts off with just assuming corruption is a good first step. That would be ridiculous. Corruption is what ruins all these systems. It's not the foundation of them.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: dbarnhart

But socialism controls the means of production.

Perhaps they need to take control of everything and-. . . whoops. That's communism, isn't it!



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Is the US government corrupt?



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: pirhanna

Even still. Regardless of what the context is, which we don't actually know since it was never given. All he is saying is better that people have Breadlines than nothing at all and starve. That's all he said. Nothing more. No context given. No reason for why there are breadlines or other options. Nothing. Just that it's better than people starving.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: mOjOm

Is the US government corrupt?


Of course. But that is a problem whether it's also Socialist or Capitalist or whatever. Corruption is corruption and it doesn't matter what system it is corrupting. You're going to have problems regardless of what it is because it's not the system that is the problem, it's the corruption.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

So you're going to introduce socialism to a corrupt capitalistic system.

Hoo-boy!



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